Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 29th Jul 2012 10:48 UTC
Legal Groklaw nails it: "In other words, [Apple and Microsoft] want to disarm the companies that got there first, built the standards, and created the field, while the come-later types clean up on patents on things like slide to unlock or a tablet shape with rounded corners. Then the money flows to Apple and Microsoft, and away from Android - and isn't that really the point of all this, to destroy Android by hook or by crook? The parties who were in the mobile phone business years before Apple or Microsoft even thought about doing it thus get nothing much for their earlier issued patents that have become standards. Apple and Microsoft can't compete on an even field, because the patent system rewards the first to invent (or now, after the recent patent reform, the first to file). Neither Apple nor Microsoft got there first. Samsung was there, since the '90s." To illustrate: Apple is demanding $24 (!) per Samsung device for design patents, while at the same time, Apple also demands that Samsung does not charge more than $0.0049 per standards essential patent per device. This is absolutely, utterly, and entirely indefensible. And then Apple and its supporters have the nerve to claim Samsung is ripping them off. Yes, this pisses me off, and no, that's not because it's Apple doing it (Microsoft is just as guilty). It's because this is plainly, utterly, clearly, and intrinsically unfair.
Thread beginning with comment 528861
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE: Whining by proxy
by Sodki on Sun 29th Jul 2012 21:03 UTC in reply to "Whining by proxy"
Sodki
Member since:
2005-11-10

Google are an advertising company...


Yes, but not only.


... and I am not their customer I am their product, ...


No, you're a way to sell their product. The clients are the advertisers, the product is the advertising network.


... their business is about collecting data about me, and countless millions of other people, and selling that data to advertisers so they can target their advertising at me.


Actually, no.

Reply Parent Score: 6

RE[2]: Whining by proxy
by Tony Swash on Mon 30th Jul 2012 09:38 in reply to "RE: Whining by proxy"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Google is an advertising company, thats where over 90% of their revenue comes from. Of course Google engages in other activities, many companies do, many including Google spends many millions on political lobbying or supporting cultural activities, does that make them a lobbyist or culture business - no. Any business is driven by the demands of core business, the stuff that all the money comes from. If you want to understand the behaviour of any company, Google, Microsoft, Apple, look at what their core products are, the ones that make most of their money.

Google's USP, the way it adds value to it's core product of advertising is to collect information on people. Collecting information on what people do, what they write about in their emails, what they search for and browse, where the live, who their friends are, is absolutely core to Google's business. When Google sells advertising space on it's search page it doesn't just offer a blank space, it offers targeted ads that are shaped to the end user, that's what add the value to Google's product. It's easy to see in action, log in to your system and do a Google search for a common sort of term, then get a friend to do the same, you will see that not only are the ads served to each of you different based on Google's collected information about you but the actual search results are also different and are also based on what Google knows about you. You, the data about you, is Google's product, it's what it sells to it's actual paying customers.

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[3]: Whining by proxy
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 30th Jul 2012 09:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Whining by proxy"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Which, of course, is magically different from Apple pimping its 400 million credit card numbers, associated user accounts, and which magazines, videos, books, applications, and music those users look at and buy.

Totally different. Yessiree. Very different because Google is evil, and Apple is all that is good and pure in this world.

Reply Parent Score: 4

RE[3]: Whining by proxy
by Sodki on Mon 30th Jul 2012 16:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Whining by proxy"
Sodki Member since:
2005-11-10

Google collects and analyses data, I agree. But what Google _really_ needs from you is _not_ that you feed them your personal data, but your time using their products, which in turn shows you ads, which in turn gives them money.

Imagine that everyone in the world was using Gmail via IMAP. Google would have your data, but no money from ads. On the other hand, imagine that everyone is using Gmail without personal data. Google would still make money.

Reply Parent Score: 3