Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 29th Jul 2012 10:48 UTC
Legal Groklaw nails it: "In other words, [Apple and Microsoft] want to disarm the companies that got there first, built the standards, and created the field, while the come-later types clean up on patents on things like slide to unlock or a tablet shape with rounded corners. Then the money flows to Apple and Microsoft, and away from Android - and isn't that really the point of all this, to destroy Android by hook or by crook? The parties who were in the mobile phone business years before Apple or Microsoft even thought about doing it thus get nothing much for their earlier issued patents that have become standards. Apple and Microsoft can't compete on an even field, because the patent system rewards the first to invent (or now, after the recent patent reform, the first to file). Neither Apple nor Microsoft got there first. Samsung was there, since the '90s." To illustrate: Apple is demanding $24 (!) per Samsung device for design patents, while at the same time, Apple also demands that Samsung does not charge more than $0.0049 per standards essential patent per device. This is absolutely, utterly, and entirely indefensible. And then Apple and its supporters have the nerve to claim Samsung is ripping them off. Yes, this pisses me off, and no, that's not because it's Apple doing it (Microsoft is just as guilty). It's because this is plainly, utterly, clearly, and intrinsically unfair.
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Comment by kurkosdr
by kurkosdr on Sun 29th Jul 2012 21:18 UTC
kurkosdr
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2011-04-11

As long as Motorola Mobility is under Google ownership, there will be at least one brand that makes Androids and doesn't pay extortion royalties.

For some reason, I can't imagine Google agreeing to pay MS and Apple said extortion royalties. Google will redesign and redesign the products to remove any "infrigments" of "patents" the courts found and fight to invalidate the dubious patents MS and Apple are flashing, but one thing they are not going to do is bend over.

So, eventually MS and Apple will have to butt heads with Google directly, much like the IBM vs SCO situation (remember, SCO didn't go directly for IBM either), and the whole thing will end.

Edited 2012-07-29 21:20 UTC

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by smashIt on Sun 29th Jul 2012 21:34 in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

For some reason, I can't imagine Google agreeing to pay MS and Apple said extortion royalties.


You forgert that MS still is a technology-corporation that in fact hold some real patents (and invest a lot of money in research-projects)

because of that a crosslicensing-deal with ms wouldn't surprise me

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by MollyC on Mon 30th Jul 2012 03:51 in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

Motorola Mobility might be dead in a few years.
They lose money every year as it is and Samsung is absolutely destroying them in the Android market. MotoMobo is almost reduced to a warehouse of FRAND patents that Apple and Microsoft suckered Google into paying 12 billion dollars for.
I expect Google to take an 8 billion dollar charge on that purchase in a few years.

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RE[2]: Comment by kurkosdr
by cdude on Mon 30th Jul 2012 08:56 in reply to "RE: Comment by kurkosdr"
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2008-09-21

Moto, under google, is relative new. Give them some time to focus and execute. I think not long and they are making money again.

The 12 billion where cheap. There was recently an article somewhere that estimates the patents alone to be higher. But Google got also a strong company that is in the business for so long that I have.no doubt they can be profitable again soon.

Edited 2012-07-30 08:59 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by kurkosdr
by tomcat on Mon 30th Jul 2012 19:11 in reply to "RE: Comment by kurkosdr"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Motorola Mobility might be dead in a few years.
They lose money every year as it is and Samsung is absolutely destroying them in the Android market. MotoMobo is almost reduced to a warehouse of FRAND patents that Apple and Microsoft suckered Google into paying 12 billion dollars for.
I expect Google to take an 8 billion dollar charge on that purchase in a few years.


What do you mean by "might"? ;-) Google just bought Motorola a few years. The fundamentals of its business have not changed at all; other than having a sugar mama subsidizing its failure in the mobile market.

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by ilovebeer on Mon 30th Jul 2012 04:28 in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

As long as Motorola Mobility is under Google ownership, there will be at least one brand that makes Androids and doesn't pay extortion royalties.

For some reason, I can't imagine Google agreeing to pay MS and Apple said extortion royalties.

Microsoft and Apple are not criminal enterprises engaged in extortion. Since you apparently don't know what extortion actually is -- when you legally own something and require a fee be paid for its use, you are NOT committing extortion... Even when it ends with "or else".

If you're going to throw words around, at least make an effort to know what they mean.

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