Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Jul 2012 19:38 UTC, submitted by tupp
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless It might be a cliche, but sometimes, a picture says more than a thousand words. Over the years, I've often talked about how the technology world is iterative, about how products are virtually always built upon that which came before, about how almost always, multiple people independently arrive at the same products since they work within the same constraints of the current state of technology. This elementary aspect of the technology world, which some would rather forget, has been illustrated very, very well in one of Samsung's legal filings against Apple.
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RE[4]: Crucifixion
by henderson101 on Wed 1st Aug 2012 09:29 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Crucifixion"
henderson101
Member since:
2006-05-30

"they had the first comercial graphic OS


They did not. That honour belongs to the Xerox Star, launched in 1981. See what I mean with people not having a clue about history and just assuming Apple did everything?
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Did Xerox actually have many commercial sales? As I remember it was a flop. May be "first commercially successful" would be accurate? And this isn't the Mac, this is the Lisa.

"In any case Apple has been developing OS from more than 20 years I think I think they might have a little experience developing OS's.


When you really break it down, Apple only developed the original Mac OS,
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Wrong. Or is the Mac OS X on my Mac Mini Scotch Mist? The Openstep on my old grey box bears almost no resemblance to Mac OS X 10.0, let alone 10.7. There are a few similarities, but then there are as many to Classic MacOS also. So, you are now belittling the 10+ years Apple worked on OS X?

Your post is a perfect illustration of what I meant in the article: people have no clue about history, and just parrot whatever they read in [....] forums without actually bothering to look up the facts.


Yep, indeed Thom.

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RE[5]: Crucifixion
by Soulbender on Wed 1st Aug 2012 09:39 in reply to "RE[4]: Crucifixion"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Did Xerox actually have many commercial sales?


That's not relevant to if it was first or not. Lisa was also a commercial failure for Apple, btw.

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RE[5]: Crucifixion
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 1st Aug 2012 09:48 in reply to "RE[4]: Crucifixion"
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2005-06-29

Did Xerox actually have many commercial sales? As I remember it was a flop. May be "first commercially successful" would be accurate?


Shifting the goalpasts. Apple fans' favourite pasttime. Oh, so Apple didn't invent it? So what, they were the first to be commercially successful with it! Oh, they weren't the first to be commercially successful? Well, they were the first to do it right!

So predictable.

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RE[6]: Crucifixion
by Soulbender on Wed 1st Aug 2012 09:55 in reply to "RE[5]: Crucifixion"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

As far as I remember, the macintosh 128k was a success (or at least not a failure) and released in 1984. So you could say Apple had the first commercially successful GUI OS, just not with the Lisa.

Edited 2012-08-01 09:56 UTC

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RE[6]: Crucifixion
by henderson101 on Wed 1st Aug 2012 12:08 in reply to "RE[5]: Crucifixion"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Shifting the goalpasts. Apple fans' favourite pasttime.


And you don't ever shift goal posts? So, this entire tirade is based on evidence the court struck off. Want to print a retraction? No, didn't think so. Because you're happy to believe what you're spoon feed by Samsung's legal team.

Oh, so Apple didn't invent it? So what, they were the first to be commercially successful with it!


Please provide a citation that disproves that fact. Whilst you're at it, please verify the context that the original correction came from. I suggested that the OP was thinking of "popular" or "consumer" level sales. Have you ever seen a Xerox Star outside of a museum? Have you ever seen a Mac outside of a museum? I rest my case.

Oh, they weren't the first to be commercially successful? Well, they were the first to do it right!

So predictable.


"*Mutter* *mutter* you damn kids GET OF MY LAWN!" Where should I mail you your pipe and slippers?

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RE[5]: Crucifixion
by BushLin on Wed 1st Aug 2012 20:47 in reply to "RE[4]: Crucifixion"
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2011-01-26

"When you really break it down, Apple only developed the original Mac OS, "

"Wrong. Or is the Mac OS X on my Mac Mini Scotch Mist?"

I have no doubt that Apple would have preferred to use the Linux kernel for OS X but took FreeBSD as their liberal licence allowed Apple to take all their hard work and give nothing back. They made a pretty interface with many fans but can't take credit for the underlying OS.

Oh yeah, as Thom says, you are guilty of trying to move the goalposts on the original argument on the first GUI... at least try to be objective.

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RE[6]: Crucifixion
by Sabon on Wed 1st Aug 2012 23:00 in reply to "RE[5]: Crucifixion"
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2005-07-06

... OS X but took FreeBSD as their liberal licence allowed Apple to take all their hard work and give nothing back. They made a pretty interface with many fans but can't take credit for the underlying OS.


You need to do some fact checking. Darwin for instance.

PS: If you don't know how to use it, it doesn't mean a lot of other people can't.

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