Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Jul 2012 19:38 UTC, submitted by tupp
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless It might be a cliche, but sometimes, a picture says more than a thousand words. Over the years, I've often talked about how the technology world is iterative, about how products are virtually always built upon that which came before, about how almost always, multiple people independently arrive at the same products since they work within the same constraints of the current state of technology. This elementary aspect of the technology world, which some would rather forget, has been illustrated very, very well in one of Samsung's legal filings against Apple.
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RE[5]: Crucifixion
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 1st Aug 2012 09:48 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Crucifixion"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Did Xerox actually have many commercial sales? As I remember it was a flop. May be "first commercially successful" would be accurate?


Shifting the goalpasts. Apple fans' favourite pasttime. Oh, so Apple didn't invent it? So what, they were the first to be commercially successful with it! Oh, they weren't the first to be commercially successful? Well, they were the first to do it right!

So predictable.

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RE[6]: Crucifixion
by Soulbender on Wed 1st Aug 2012 09:55 in reply to "RE[5]: Crucifixion"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

As far as I remember, the macintosh 128k was a success (or at least not a failure) and released in 1984. So you could say Apple had the first commercially successful GUI OS, just not with the Lisa.

Edited 2012-08-01 09:56 UTC

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RE[7]: Crucifixion
by henderson101 on Wed 1st Aug 2012 11:58 in reply to "RE[6]: Crucifixion"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

As far as I remember, the macintosh 128k was a success (or at least not a failure) and released in 1984. So you could say Apple had the first commercially successful GUI OS, just not with the Lisa.


First Consumer GUI = LisaOS
First commercially successful GUI = MacOS

Yeah, I though on it a little and became dubious about the Lisa being all that successful.

But quantitatively, "commercial successful" is so subjective. If there was nothing competing, it had nothing to really compare it to.

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RE[6]: Crucifixion
by henderson101 on Wed 1st Aug 2012 12:08 in reply to "RE[5]: Crucifixion"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Shifting the goalpasts. Apple fans' favourite pasttime.


And you don't ever shift goal posts? So, this entire tirade is based on evidence the court struck off. Want to print a retraction? No, didn't think so. Because you're happy to believe what you're spoon feed by Samsung's legal team.

Oh, so Apple didn't invent it? So what, they were the first to be commercially successful with it!


Please provide a citation that disproves that fact. Whilst you're at it, please verify the context that the original correction came from. I suggested that the OP was thinking of "popular" or "consumer" level sales. Have you ever seen a Xerox Star outside of a museum? Have you ever seen a Mac outside of a museum? I rest my case.

Oh, they weren't the first to be commercially successful? Well, they were the first to do it right!

So predictable.


"*Mutter* *mutter* you damn kids GET OF MY LAWN!" Where should I mail you your pipe and slippers?

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RE[7]: Crucifixion
by MOS6510 on Wed 1st Aug 2012 12:33 in reply to "RE[6]: Crucifixion"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

IIRC the Alto was never sold to the public, only to labs and universities. And not in great numbers.

Wether Thom likes it or not Apple brought the GUI to the homes and they didn't rip Xerox off.

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