Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 1st Aug 2012 16:11 UTC
Windows Microsoft has just announced that Windows 8 has gone gold - or, in Redmond parlance, RTM. "Today, I am excited to announce that Windows 8 has been released to manufacturing (RTM)! This means we've completed the product development and testing of the product and have started handing off the final code to our OEM partners. They can now begin preparing new Windows 8 PCs and devices they'll introduce starting with General Availability." Anybody got a spare MSDN account?
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RE[3]: Ha!
by Drumhellar on Wed 1st Aug 2012 23:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Ha!"
Drumhellar
Member since:
2005-07-12

Improved disk performance: Shrinking and expanding volumes is much faster in practice.

Hyper-V built in.

The Refresh feature, and the in-place install.

GPU accelerated everything.

Improved multi-monitor support in the classic desktop.

The theme is nicer, with the sharp edges and fewer gradients.

Better driver support (USB 3.0 out of the box!)

Better support for multitouch trackpads.

Better search.
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These are just things that affect me on a day-to-day basis. There are others that I think I can list off the top of my head:

Much better tablet support (duh!). This includes touch gestures, plus improved handwriting recognition.

More flexible threading model, especially useful for the newer AMD chips.

Integration with Windows Live (Yes, that is a good thing.)
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Of course, the lack of start menu can be seen as a regression, but once you get used to the start screen, it actually is mostly better.

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RE[4]: Ha!
by ze_jerkface on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 00:01 in reply to "RE[3]: Ha!"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Most programs are i/o bottlenecked. With an SSD my programs are near instant and even with a 5400 rpm drive they are plenty fast thanks to pre-fetching. Sinofsky is going to have to try harder than crap like "displays fonts 500% faster" when I don't remember the last time I waited for Windows to load a font.

This really is the emperor's new OS. The Gold thread is 5000% thinner! Let me know when they come up with some metrics that actually make up for being forced into an animated clusterf*** of crap. Boot times are a joke when you have to boot into metro and then click "desktop". This OS is a joke and the majority will agree, MS fanboys are just going to take a little longer.



Of course, the lack of start menu can be seen as a regression, but once you get used to the start screen, it actually is mostly better.


Nothing says great software like 'once you get used to it'.

Windows 8 makes a complete mess of my start menu. Dumping everything onto a single screen next to a worthless IE is a regression. Sinofsky has never even claimed it is more efficient, it's just a lame-o strategy to encourage tablet app development.

Oh and P.S. I am a .NET developer with an MSDN account so don't think I am a Linux or Mac troll. I also liked Vista and defended it here (after it was fixed) so stew on that for a while.

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RE[4]: Ha!
by moondevil on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 07:01 in reply to "RE[3]: Ha!"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

You forgot the most important for some Windows developers.

Focus again on C++ at the same level as .NET languages.

Starting to move away from Win32 to a proper OO API to the operating system, COM based.

Now only Metro and partially on the Desktop, maybe fully on the Desktop around Windows 9 or later SPs.

That is my wish anyway.

This way Microsoft is finally adding to Visual C++ capabilities offered by C++ Builder since 2003!

Edited 2012-08-02 07:04 UTC

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RE[4]: Ha!
by WereCatf on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 13:03 in reply to "RE[3]: Ha!"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

None of those things mentioned really matter to Average Joe, except perhaps the Live-integration. I just don't really know if even that matters much in the end as none of the Averages I know understand anything about this Microsoft Live-thing, they just use "messenger" or "chat" or "mail." Microsoft kind of haven't integrated it's Live-based services well with eachothers nor are they taking enough advantage of that.

As I have mentioned before the most beneficial feature of Windows 8 for Average Joes and Janes is the curated app store; once the people become aware of that I can image them using the app store as their primary method of finding new applications and games, possibly resulting in massive reduction in malware and viruses. The less malware and viruses there are in the wild the better for everyone. The second thing that is very beneficial for Average Joes and Janes is the inclusion of Microsoft Security Essentials as a core part of Windows 8; since MSE does not expire, it is not some trial thing nor does it try to push subscriptions or extra functionality to users it's a very workable "out-of-your-face" antivirus - solution.

As for the reaction of these Averages: as I've said, I believe most complaints will be about how the people don't understand why the system jumps between regular desktop and Metro so often when they try to use their applications, not about Metro itself. Eventually, though, people will end up replacing most of their legacy applications with Metro-based stuff from the Windows Store and thus people will start to complain less. In any event the complaints won't be enough to steer the general populace away from Windows, it'll still be mostly only geeks, nerds and self-righteous "professionals" who will be doing that in some sort of a crusade and the general populace will continue rolling their eyes.

Windows 8 RT is where I see potential for a much bigger of a mess with general populace: Average Janes and Joes are exceedingly good at ignoring everything they're being told, they'll just see the word "Windows" and automatically believe that everything they throw at the tablet will work. No matter how much you tell them otherwise there's bound to be people who refuse to understand, and thus it would likely have been smart for Microsoft to name Windows 8 RT something more distinctive.

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RE[5]: Ha!
by ze_jerkface on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 14:05 in reply to "RE[4]: Ha!"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Here's why you are wrong:

People are not as average as you think. I'm always surprised by how many people have that one Win32 application for work or home.

Also, the following will not go to Metro anytime soon:
Office
iTunes
Photoshop
Warcraft

By anytime soon I mean years. Those are huge applications that cannot be ported overnight.

So it's unrealistic to expect most people to stay in Metro.

Then on top of it multitasking in Metro sucks and the fonts are crap because it is designed around ultra high dpi monitors.

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