Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 01:48 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
KDE "KDE is delighted to announce its latest set of releases, providing major updates to KDE Plasma Workspaces, KDE Applications, and the KDE Platform. Version 4.9 provides many new features, along with improved stability and performance."
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RE[2]: Oh, my...
by ndrw on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 09:06 UTC in reply to "RE: Oh, my..."
ndrw
Member since:
2009-06-30

To me, it looks as if KDE developers were paralyzed with fear of changing anything in default settings and look&feel. They just keep piling new stuff on top of old one, without taking a step back to look at the result. Which is really strange, considering that they could just get together for an afternoon and with a minimum effort make KDE twice as good as it is now.

There are three problems with pushing the design process to the users:
- It makes the desktop less attractive, despite all the work that went into it, many users won't even try it.
- Design should take place before the implementation, not after it.
- Most users can't design a desktop - they are perfectly able to judge it (which is what Gnome guys forget) but they do not necessarily know *how to make* a good desktop.

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RE[3]: Oh, my...
by Loreia on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 09:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh, my..."
Loreia Member since:
2012-01-17

- Most users can't design a desktop - they are perfectly able to judge it (which is what Gnome guys forget) but they do not necessarily know *how to make* a good desktop.



The best description / critique of KDE's way (of organizing "Look and feel" options) I've ever read. !!

Edited 2012-08-02 10:00 UTC

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RE[3]: Oh, my...
by lemur2 on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 10:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh, my..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

To me, it looks as if KDE developers were paralyzed with fear of changing anything in default settings and look&feel. They just keep piling new stuff on top of old one, without taking a step back to look at the result. Which is really strange, considering that they could just get together for an afternoon and with a minimum effort make KDE twice as good as it is now.

There are three problems with pushing the design process to the users:
- It makes the desktop less attractive, despite all the work that went into it, many users won't even try it.
- Design should take place before the implementation, not after it.
- Most users can't design a desktop - they are perfectly able to judge it (which is what Gnome guys forget) but they do not necessarily know *how to make* a good desktop.


The KDE developers know how to make a good desktop, and that is what they do.

It is actually up to the distributions to make it look good.

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RE[4]: Oh, my...
by evert on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 10:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Oh, my..."
evert Member since:
2005-07-06

It is actually up to the distributions to make it look good.


No, the defaults (vanilla) should be sane and NOT ugly.

I tried to love KDE, but the looks of KDE 3 were better (IMHO) than KDE 4.

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RE[4]: Oh, my...
by Gone fishing on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 11:21 in reply to "RE[3]: Oh, my..."
Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

It is actually up to the distributions to make it look good.


Surely this is right, this is what the distributions should do; sort out the look and feel so the defaults for the user are well sorted, sane and give the distro an identity.

Mint has been good at this, I haven't used Mageia but that might work Mandrake always had a look and feel and I'm surprised if Opensuse is poor and buggy.

KDE, Gnome etc need to get the technology and basic functionality right for the distros to work with.

Edited 2012-08-02 11:23 UTC

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RE[4]: Oh, my...
by Beket_ on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 12:47 in reply to "RE[3]: Oh, my..."
Beket_ Member since:
2009-07-10

"To me, it looks as if KDE developers were paralyzed with fear of changing anything in default settings and look&feel. They just keep piling new stuff on top of old one, without taking a step back to look at the result. Which is really strange, considering that they could just get together for an afternoon and with a minimum effort make KDE twice as good as it is now.

There are three problems with pushing the design process to the users:
- It makes the desktop less attractive, despite all the work that went into it, many users won't even try it.
- Design should take place before the implementation, not after it.
- Most users can't design a desktop - they are perfectly able to judge it (which is what Gnome guys forget) but they do not necessarily know *how to make* a good desktop.


The KDE developers know how to make a good desktop, and that is what they do.

It is actually up to the distributions to make it look good.
"

Are the kde developers also in denial? If yes, then that would explain why kde4 is still so kitsch.

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RE[4]: Oh, my...
by Loreia on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 12:56 in reply to "RE[3]: Oh, my..."
Loreia Member since:
2012-01-17

The KDE developers know how to make a good desktop, and that is what they do.

It is actually up to the distributions to make it look good.


But mostly, they simply don't.
Perhaps KDE team should start paying attention to this problem. (provided that they see it as a problem in the first place)

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