Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 01:48 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
KDE "KDE is delighted to announce its latest set of releases, providing major updates to KDE Plasma Workspaces, KDE Applications, and the KDE Platform. Version 4.9 provides many new features, along with improved stability and performance."
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RE[2]: Oh, my...
by lemur2 on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 10:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Oh, my..."
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

You are hardly the only person that has a problem with this. I am just reading Ars technica article about 4.9, and about one half of comments on first page are about "how ugly KDE is".

Some are really harsh:


Ars Technica is a Microsoft shop. They even have a section called "One Microsoft Way".

The Ars Technica fanbois are simply trying to disparage KDE via their multiple accounts, posting disparaging nonsense then agreeing with themselves.

Pay them no heed. Don't feed the trolls.

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RE[3]: Oh, my...
by saynte on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 10:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh, my..."
saynte Member since:
2007-12-10

Ugh, any evidence to support this multi-account anti-KDE theory?

Or is just because Ars has a section called "One Microsoft Way" (which they don't have anymore, btw).

Peter Bright is the MS-guy there, but they also have Ryan Paul on the open-source side; they *do* have a section just for Apple though.

As someone who reads Ars fairly regularly, I haven't seen what you're describing.

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RE[3]: Oh, my...
by Loreia on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 12:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh, my..."
Loreia Member since:
2012-01-17

Ars Technica is a Microsoft shop. They even have a section called "One Microsoft Way".

The Ars Technica fanbois are simply trying to disparage KDE via their multiple accounts, posting disparaging nonsense then agreeing with themselves.

Pay them no heed. Don't feed the trolls.


I am not so worried about *who* is criticizing, I am more interested in *what* they have to say. And the fact that many people find default KDE "ugly" or "hurting eyes" tells you a lot.

The thing is, I agree with most of them. If I ignore childish insults, I can agree that default KDE look is "ugly". In fact I find it the least visually appealing DE out there. And this is coming from someone who works in 10 years old Solaris CDE on daily basis.

But what I find the most annoying part is that KDE makes it so hard to change the look and feel of KDE desktop. They have all these "regional themes" (one for each element of desktop) that you need to manually select and download from kde-look.org. Why isn't there a central way to change KDE from "ugly" to "stunningly beautiful" with a single mouse click? In this way talented artist could create and share "real themes" (the kind that changes everything on a screen)

Current way is so tiresome that even distributions don't bother, they just ship default one, at most they change wallpaper.

To be perfectly honest, some applications (like Dolphin and Kate) leave better initial impression on me when I install them on MS Windows.

I find it sad that KDE guys work so hard to create this great DE, and then they "shoot themselves in the foot" by ignoring visual aesthetics aspect of it. Since most distributions don't care about KDE more that compiling and shipping default version, maybe KDE team should pay some attention to the problem.

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RE[4]: Oh, my...
by Alexander on Fri 3rd Aug 2012 07:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Oh, my..."
Alexander Member since:
2011-03-19

Having a centralized theme for the whole desktop may be conveniet but it is less flexible. What if i like everything about the default look except the window decoration? I will have to change the entire theme - not only the window decoration but the panel theme and icon theme as well.

The current way is more flexible because it allows me to combine one desktop theme with window decorations and icons from another theme.

Also i don't understant what's so wrong with the look and feel of KDE. In my opinion the oxygen icon theme is a lot better than Windows 7's icon theme and is on par with OS X icon theme. As for the windows decorations i definately like KDE's oxygen theme more that Windows and again i find it on par with OS X's. Generaly i find that the OS X and KDE's themes are similar because of the wide spread use of grey gradients. I like the panel theme very much but my only problem with it is that due to the transparency the taskbar text is not very readable on some desktop backgrounds and i have to choose my desktop background more carefully. They need to work on that. As for the fonts - they always looked OK for me on Debian, OpenSuSe and Arch with no additional settings. And i've found that the fonts on Ubuntu are even better. I don't know what distro are they using in KDE to make the screenshots but indeed they don't look very good. However i don't think this is a problem for most users since the most popular distros seem to have fixed this issue.

BTW the fact that most of the complaints are about the default look and feel kind of brings me optimism. At least to me it means that they have ironed out most of the serious problems and they only need to polish their desktop environment.

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