Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 4th Aug 2012 00:54 UTC
Google This tweet from Tom Warren made me smile. So, it's 2012 and tablets are finally able to do what the Amiga did in 1985. Seems like a bit of a stretch to be excited about that, right? Sure, until I caught myself getting excited - only a bit, but still - by this piece of news. Update: removed me being an annoyed child.
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Random idea
by CajunArson on Sat 4th Aug 2012 02:37 UTC
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2009-07-16

So for multi-user operating systems you choose... Amiga?
Really? You make it seem like those dudes in 1969 that came up with UNIX used the Delorean (before it was built) to jump forward in time to 1985 to rip off Amiga... oh and Multics, which was already multi-user and over-the-hill when Unix copied some of its parts, must have had a *second* Delorean to go forward in time to 1969 to rip off Unix's copy of the ripped off Amiga multi-user support! Wow.. that's a lot of Deloreans!

Oh.. P.S. --> In addition to me questioning your dubious references... your reference to Amiga is also factually inaccurate since Amiga in 1985 did *not* support multiple users (in fact, much much newer versions of Amiga still don't support multiple users).
Don't believe me? Here's a quote from an article detailing the Fast File system that was not even available in the earlier versions of Amiga:
"There are many bright design ideas making the AmigaOS a very special thing, but the file system was not exactly part of it. It is prone to invalidation, holds redundant data, and its directory structure is comparatively slow to traverse. It also lacks any concept of multi-user environments." See: http://wiki.osdev.org/FFS_%28Amiga%29

If your filesystem doesn't support multi-user access control, then you don't have a multi-user OS, even if there is a stupid login screen for multiple users (which there wasn't BTW).

You seem to have confused *multi-tasking* with *multi-user*. While Amiga did have multi-tasking, that ain't the same thing as a multi-user environment. Oh, and multi-tasking wasn't all that unique since real Unix flavours had already gotten pre-emptive multi-tasking by 1985 anyway.

If you are going to pine for the fjords, why not whine about SkyOS or HURD or some other dead OS that was *really* out there. Amiga was a corporate sellout compared to those guys.

Edited 2012-08-04 02:43 UTC

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RE: Random idea
by Yoko_T on Sat 4th Aug 2012 03:01 in reply to "Random idea"
Yoko_T Member since:
2011-08-18

So for multi-user operating systems you choose... Amiga?
Really? You make it seem like those dudes in 1969 that came up with UNIX used the Delorean (before it was built) to jump forward in time to 1985 to rip off Amiga... oh and Multics, which was already multi-user and over-the-hill when Unix copied some of its parts, must have had a *second* Delorean to go forward in time to 1969 to rip off Unix's copy of the ripped off Amiga multi-user support! Wow.. that's a lot of Deloreans!

Oh.. P.S. --> In addition to me questioning your dubious references... your reference to Amiga is also factually inaccurate since Amiga in 1985 did *not* support multiple users (in fact, much much newer versions of Amiga still don't support multiple users).
Don't believe me? Here's a quote from an article detailing the Fast File system that was not even available in the earlier versions of Amiga:
"There are many bright design ideas making the AmigaOS a very special thing, but the file system was not exactly part of it. It is prone to invalidation, holds redundant data, and its directory structure is comparatively slow to traverse. It also lacks any concept of multi-user environments." See: http://wiki.osdev.org/FFS_%28Amiga%29

If your filesystem doesn't support multi-user access control, then you don't have a multi-user OS, even if there is a stupid login screen for multiple users (which there wasn't BTW).

You seem to have confused *multi-tasking* with *multi-user*. While Amiga did have multi-tasking, that ain't the same thing as a multi-user environment. Oh, and multi-tasking wasn't all that unique since real Unix flavours had already gotten pre-emptive multi-tasking by 1985 anyway.

If you are going to pine for the fjords, why not whine about SkyOS or HURD or some other dead OS that was *really* out there. Amiga was a corporate sellout compared to those guys.


The Amiga in 1985 also didn't have usb support,an integrated display,ect,ect,ect.


It's really funny to see these Amiga and Beos fan boys running around acting like the Amiga and Be machines were the machines that most people wanted. They weren't.

In fact they were far from it. In fact if I remember right the Commodore 64 outsold the Amiga during the Amiga's production run.

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RE[2]: Random idea
by stew on Sat 4th Aug 2012 08:41 in reply to "RE: Random idea"
stew Member since:
2005-07-06

True. As much as I loved my Amiga, the damn thing didn't have memory protection! At least I don't have to reboot my iPhone when Mobile Safari crashes.

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RE[2]: Random idea
by Laurence on Sat 4th Aug 2012 10:39 in reply to "RE: Random idea"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


The Amiga in 1985 also didn't have usb support,an integrated display,ect,ect,ect.


It's really funny to see these Amiga and Beos fan boys running around acting like the Amiga and Be machines were the machines that most people wanted. They weren't.

In fact they were far from it. In fact if I remember right the Commodore 64 outsold the Amiga during the Amiga's production run.

Yeah, because USB was a killer feature on the C64

</sarcasm >

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RE[2]: Random idea
by leech on Sat 4th Aug 2012 16:07 in reply to "RE: Random idea"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

The Amiga in 1985 also didn't have usb support,an integrated display,ect,ect,ect.


It's really funny to see these Amiga and Beos fan boys running around acting like the Amiga and Be machines were the machines that most people wanted. They weren't.

In fact they were far from it. In fact if I remember right the Commodore 64 outsold the Amiga during the Amiga's production run.


Granted the original post was wrong, Amiga still doesn't have Multi-User support. But 1985? USB? You do realize that USB wasn't even around in 1985? The only ones who had integrated displays were the piece of crap Macs that weren't even color in 1985.

USB wasn't even widely adopted until version 1.1 came out in '98, which is 4 years after Commodore imploded.

For what it's worth, I could get a USB card in my Amiga 4000, and eventually will so I can use an optical mouse with a wheel (probably the one thing that REALLY kills on usability.)

The fact that Amiga and Be both died before their time, and that they still have a decent amount of fans after all this time, goes to show that they are extremely usable operating systems and the light weight approach does have advantages. I'd like to see anything Microsoft has made in the last ten years run with as little resources. Or even software written for a Microsoft operating system that isn't heavily bloated and requires at least 512MB of RAM within the last 10 years.

512MB of RAM is a crapload for AmigaOS, even for AmigaOS4.

I surely miss the days when programmers actually had to optimize their software, because they didn't have Gigabytes of memory to work with. Hell, the company I work for now... there have been rumors that their software is going to start recommending 8GB of RAM to run! That's just insane.

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RE: Random idea
by Morgan on Sat 4th Aug 2012 04:54 in reply to "Random idea"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Reading comprehension is your friend, you should really try harder. He wasn't talking about multi-user on the Amiga, he was talking about multi-tasking, an entirely different thing. This was a lead-in to the discussion of multi-user environments on Android and iOS.

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RE[2]: Random idea
by CajunArson on Sat 4th Aug 2012 05:13 in reply to "RE: Random idea"
CajunArson Member since:
2009-07-16

My reading comprehension is just fine, but the writing quality of the posters on this site leaves much to be desired. Any rational person who reads the actual words posted in the article in this site would come to the conclusion that Thom is saying that ancient Amiga's had multi-user support that is just now being implemented for the first time ever in a mobile device... which is wrong but not the point.

Thom also posted a link to some random guy's twitter account showing two windows on a Windows 8 tablet... So what....

1. Some idiot "twittering" that he managed to use Windows doesn't mean that earlier mobile devices couldn't multitask since they have been doing it for decades (yes, much much longer than Android or iOS have been around, and yes iOS *does* support pre-emptive multitasking even if Apple prevents garden variety apps from taking full advantage of it),
and

2. The useless Twitter post (aren't they all useless?) that is not part of the text of this story is a logical non-sequitur to the remainder of the story... it looks like you could use some work on reading comprehension and logical reasoning instead of me.

P.S. --> To everyone still holding irrational nostalgia for Amiga, please direct me to all the multi-touch-enabled Amiga devices that had high-speed wireless data connectivity, OpenGL acclerated graphics, and support for 1080p H.264 playback. Amiga was a completely proprietary platform that only worked because Commodore exerted a level of control that makes Apple look like a hippy open-source startup.

The Amiga platform was doomed from the start because it assumed that no improvements to hardware or software were physically possible after 1985, while the "primitive" PC was designed from day 1 with the understanding that technology would progress forward.

Edited 2012-08-04 05:14 UTC

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RE[2]: Random idea
by henderson101 on Mon 6th Aug 2012 09:46 in reply to "RE: Random idea"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Context is important, there was no context here. Sorry, I'm with the masses - Thom messed up. What Thom did is the same as this:

"The king was in my home town today. He is an idiot. John is still my friend, no matter what."

Who is the idiot? John or the king? Sentences that rely on inside knowledge are unhelpful. Sentences that don't convey enough information are open to misinterpretation.

As another person said miles down a thread, add 3 words:

This tweet from Tom Warren about tablets multitasking made me smile.


Let's also deflate the argument about links - I read the front page news in an RSS feed. There are no links in the body of the RSS feed text, so your argument, and Thom's, is pretty much moot. No excuses, terse is terse. And misleading is misleading no matter how much Thom thinks we should just understand what is in his head. As someone else mentioned, poor journalism shines through on this site recently. No neutral POV or reporting, no objectivity, and falling in to personal Blog territory. If there was another site that dealt with the OS topics in detail, I'd be off here for good. I've been trying to help by submitting as many stories as I can recently (and 3 or so have been featured), but it's like pissing in the wind sometimes.

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RE[2]: Random idea
by henderson101 on Mon 6th Aug 2012 09:52 in reply to "RE: Random idea"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Sorry, but this is what we get int he RSS feed, exactly this, nothing more:

This tweet from Tom Warren made me smile. So, it's 2012 and tablets are finally able to do what the Amiga did in 1985. Seems like a bit of a stretch to be excited about that, right? Sure, until I caught myself getting excited - only a bit, but still - by this piece of news.


Where is the clear change of topic or any indication that the entire paragraph, save last line, is unrelated to the title? None. Doesn't exist. There's are no links, there is no other contextual information. Therefore it is misleading, end of story.

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RE: Random idea
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sat 4th Aug 2012 16:15 in reply to "Random idea"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

There is a difference between a system being multi-user account, [one user at a time], and multi-simultaneous user account [multiple users using system at one time].

Amega a desktop operating system with one keyboard and monitor attached could not be used by two users at the same time, but did have support for multiple user accounts(Exactly like windows 7 Pro Home desktops today).

Tablets should be simular to that, where its unlikely that two people would ever be able to use it at the same time.

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RE[2]: Random idea
by bert64 on Mon 6th Aug 2012 06:57 in reply to "RE: Random idea"
bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

No, it didn't... AmigaOS had no concept of users, and neither did the filesystem...
You had to use a third party addon like MuFS (multi user filesystem) in order to get any concept of users, and even then it was very easy to bypass the permissions system if you wanted.

It was a single user desktop OS, just like windows, dos, macos and tos were at the time.

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RE: Random idea
by AlekosPanagulis on Mon 6th Aug 2012 06:48 in reply to "Random idea"
AlekosPanagulis Member since:
2012-03-19

Oh my god. YOU ARE SUCH A TROLL.

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