Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Aug 2012 00:00 UTC
X11, Window Managers We have some very good news for those of us with a love for the Common Desktop Environment. I'm a huge fan of CDE - I've even dedicated an article to it - so I'm excited about this. CDE has been released as open source under the LGPL, and can be downloaded as of today for Debian and Ubuntu. Motif will follow later.
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RE: Comment by marcp
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 6th Aug 2012 09:55 UTC in reply to "Comment by marcp"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Just because it's old doesn't mean it doesn't have good ideas. You reference Mac OS 8/9 - for me, that interface, Platinum, is miles and miles ahead of whatever UI disaster Apple is using now. Platinum was designed with usability in mind, it was consistent and logical. Mac OS X, on the other hand, is Microsoft BOB with garish skeuomorphic crap and incredibly inconsistent.

Old != bad. Platinum > Aqua.

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by marcp on Mon 6th Aug 2012 10:17 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

Well, of course old doesn't mean bad. I myself am a huge fan of many old projects, like BeOS, OpenVMS. But that's just a different thing and different history. BeOS died and Haiku OS was born as an open source [from the start], and OpenVMS ... was never *open*, so there's no real problem anyway.
I would be more than pleased to know why exactly did they open their sources. This would give us valuable information and ... their motives.

Might I add I don't try to take your joy away, CDE users! I can imagine you really love it and I have nothing against it. I'm just being suspicious ... or critical if you will.

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by ThomasFuhringer on Mon 6th Aug 2012 12:51 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
ThomasFuhringer Member since:
2007-01-25

This begs the question: What then are the good ideas in the specific case of CDE?

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by zima on Mon 6th Aug 2012 19:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

This begs the question

No, it doesn't: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question ;)

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by kaiwai on Mon 6th Aug 2012 13:43 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Just because it's old doesn't mean it doesn't have good ideas. You reference Mac OS 8/9 - for me, that interface, Platinum, is miles and miles ahead of whatever UI disaster Apple is using now. Platinum was designed with usability in mind, it was consistent and logical. Mac OS X, on the other hand, is Microsoft BOB with garish skeuomorphic crap and incredibly inconsistent.

Old != bad. Platinum > Aqua.


They pretty much all suck these days - for me Mac OS X is the best of the worst and that isn't saying much for any of them to be quite frank. Having used IRIX owns desktop along with CDE on Solaris I would sooner the effort go into reviving and adding functionality to CDE than what seems to be the wasted effort by the two major desktops hauling along the monstrous memory hogging crap they call 'features' or stripping out preferences for the sake of 'ease of use' aka GNOME.

What would I like to see?

1) CDE based configuration tools - networking configuration tools, video card settings etc.
2) Getting the major software titles like Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice and so on to use OpenMotif - get some consistency.
3) Porting it to Wayland but ideally I'd like to see something better than Wayland so that other operating systems aren't left out in the cold - yes, I am a FreeBSD fan.
4) Niceties of modern desktops such as anti-aliased fonts etc.

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by tylerdurden on Mon 6th Aug 2012 18:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

So basically you just want to keep reinventing the wheel....

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by tylerdurden on Tue 7th Aug 2012 08:30 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Platinum was familiar to YOU, that does not meant that it is superior to Aqua.


One could make the case that given the significant increases in user base Apple experienced after the introduction of Aqua, whereas Platinum was stagnant at best, that it would seem that people prefer Aqua (OSX) to Platinum (Sytem 8/9).

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by henderson101 on Tue 7th Aug 2012 12:02 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Hahahahahahaha!! Such a joker!! Did you ever use Microsoft Bob? If you think OS X is like Microsoft Bob, I doubt it.

Please don't mix graphical representations the general of real life in isolated apps with Bob. They are far removed. I find OS X far less offensive than the Crayola XP interface. The default control panel was fcuking insulting. The window dressing actually messed with the physical size of Windows and broke apps that made assumptions about the width of the title bar. For me, Windows 7 is every much as Crayola, and Windows 8 and the UI formerly known as Metro is more of the same. Simply depressing. I'd take the Windows 95/2000 classic theme over the god awful XP/7/8 themes any day of the week.

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by zima on Mon 13th Aug 2012 23:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

the Crayola XP interface. The default control panel was fcuking insulting. The window dressing [...] I'd take the Windows 95/2000 classic theme over the god awful XP/7/8 themes any day of the week.

Well with Windows you can easily turn them off... (and control panel stuff is one click away, button visible in the same window).
Good luck changing what's messed up like that in OSX.

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