Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Aug 2012 13:16 UTC
Mac OS X How this passed through Apple's Mountain Lion testing is beyond me. "If one edits a document, then chooses Save As, then BOTH the edited original document and the copy are saved, thus not only saving a new copy, but silently saving the original with the same changes, thus overwriting the original." Just goes to show: do not mess with my ability to save my stuff. There is no one-size-fits-all for this kind of delicate stuff.
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RE[5]: file versioning
by Neolander on Tue 7th Aug 2012 09:33 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: file versioning"
Neolander
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2010-03-08

Again, I've seen Apple's gear get a lot of praise like yours around the web, it just so happens that the one owned by relatives hasn't been so bullet-proof. So I have to wonder if they were just unlucky, or if it is the guys who praise everything Apple for being indestructible that were lucky.

Since Squaretrade's reports put Apple's laptops on par with others as far as reliability is concerned, I tend to lean towards the later option. After all, if there was a magical way to make consumer electronics more durable, every PC OEM would know about it by now.

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RE[6]: file versioning
by darknexus on Tue 7th Aug 2012 10:27 in reply to "RE[5]: file versioning"
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2008-07-15

Since Squaretrade's reports put Apple's laptops on par with others as far as reliability is concerned, I tend to lean towards the later option.

I no longer give Squaretrade the time of day, ever since I tried one of their extended warranties on a device I purchased and they absolutely refused to honor it. Waste of money. That being said, laptops fail, no matter who makes them. All hardware can fail in time. I've had Apple machines die, along with HP and Asus. Having said that, perhaps I'm just lucky, but my Apple machines have generally lasted longer before dying. I don't think it's some magic trick that Apple does as some people who are heavily in the rdf seem to believe, but their build quality has generally held up better for me (though they're certainly not Toughbooks).
After all, if there was a magical way to make consumer electronics more durable, every PC OEM would know about it by now.

Yep, but these are the OEMs that are so stuck in a race to the bottom that, even if they did know about a way to magically up the durability of their hardware, they'd never do it and would just keep filling their machines with more and more crapware that nobody wants. A bit of an exageration maybe, but I'm damned if I can actually find a half-decent PC OEM these days which is why, when I want a Windows or Linux machine, I build my own.

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RE[7]: file versioning
by Neolander on Tue 7th Aug 2012 11:45 in reply to "RE[6]: file versioning"
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2010-03-08

If you know of a reliable way to hand-build a laptop, I would be highly interested. I too avoid OEMs for desktops, but for laptops I've never felt like I had a choice.

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RE[6]: file versioning
by henderson101 on Tue 7th Aug 2012 11:27 in reply to "RE[5]: file versioning"
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2006-05-30

Again, I've seen Apple's gear get a lot of praise like yours around the web, it just so happens that the one owned by relatives hasn't been so bullet-proof. So I have to wonder if they were just unlucky, or if it is the guys who praise everything Apple for being indestructible that were lucky.


If I drop tested both of them, they'd both be former laptops, so that's not the point. As I said.. both travelled. The Dell was probably used more and for longer periods, but it was the poor quality of the build that killed it. It will randomly freeze and give corrupt video (as I said, Nvidia chipset, probably one of the bad Nvidia graphics processors.) Macbook is still okay, still boots in to Windows 7, Lion and Snow Leopard fine. Still works for extended periods on battery (and battery life is diminished because of age and the fact I maxed the RAM and put a 7800rpm drive in it.) And is still prefectly fine in all respects as a daily driver. I'm not claiming magic - this is all anecdotal anyway, just that average use of two similarly aged laptops the (fairly) generic PC lasted less time than the Macbook.

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RE[7]: file versioning
by Neolander on Tue 7th Aug 2012 11:58 in reply to "RE[6]: file versioning"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

There we can agree ;)

On a side note, it is unbelievable how long old computers like the first-gen iMac or the PC 1512 could last without any hardware fix other than replacing batteries. My guess is that at the time, they were so expensive that failures such as that of the Geforce 7600M and 8600M was unacceptable.

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