Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Aug 2012 12:24 UTC, submitted by henderson101
Legal "Comparing Samsung's flagship products before and after release of the iPhone & iPad, and how Apple's intellectual property infringement claims hold up." A terrible visual guide that ignores not only Samsung's own pre-iPhone designs, but also - and worse yet - the thirty-odd years of mobile computing that preceded the iPhone. Typical of today's technology world: a complete and utter lack of historical sense. Worse yet are the claims about icons: only the phone icon is similar, but Apple did not invent the green phone icon. This is a remnant of virtually all earlier phones which use a green phone icon for initiate/answer call, and a red phone icon for terminate/reject call. Claiming this deserves IP protection is beyond ridiculous, and shows just how low Apple is willing to go.
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siraf72
Member since:
2006-02-22

Thom, I think you're developing a mild obsession here. I think the whole thing is a waste of time. I also think you've interpreted the evidence in line with your usual stance regarding Apple.

Personally, I think Samsung designs took a very strange shift towards looking like iPhones. Sure, it could be a coincidence. I doubt it, but it could be. But frankly, I don't care that much.

Have a little faith that ultimately, two mega corporations going after each other will have little effect on the things you care about.

Just relax, take out some popcorn and enjoy the show.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Just relax, take out some popcorn and enjoy the show.


I'd love to, but this is about so much more than just these two companies. This is about incumbents like Apple and Microsoft trying to stifle competition and prevent newcomers from entering the market. If Apple wins, the destructive effect this will have on the technology world will be massive. This is not an attack on Samsung or Android - this is an attack on the very industry I care so much about. If Apple wins, they will be given carte blanche to block virtually every competitor from entering the market place.

This is important. Very, very important.

Edited 2012-08-07 13:28 UTC

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siraf72 Member since:
2006-02-22

I think the doomsday scenario you're painting is blown out of proportion. These kinds of court cases do little to stifle the competition or effect innovation in the industry. This is more akin to Apple Vs MS regarding Windows. That had little effect on everyone else.

What DID have an impact was MS destroying companies by abusing it's monopoly position and using it's financial clout to destroy newcomers.

I think you're painting this court case to be something it's not. This isn't about how ridiculous software patents are (unbelievably ridiculous by my view), or some behemoth taking on the poor helpless new innovator. It's just one mega huge company accusing another mega huge company of copying it's product. Could and does happen in every industry.

- Edit -

NB: I also think you're overestimating the chances of Apple's success.

Edited 2012-08-07 13:51 UTC

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leonalpha Member since:
2011-02-02

Thom I actually enjoy your bias, and the main reason I do is that I started reading Daring Fireball before OSNews.

Boy, the lengths to which that idiot John Gruber goes to twists facts and cherry-pick fragments from all over the place in an attempt to make Apple look good while ridiculing all of its competitors is annoying beyond belief. So I developed a hatred for Apple. A hatred I honestly don't know how to get rid of. And, of course, a hatred for Daring Fireball as well. If Apple were to go bankrupt tomorrow and Daring Fireball's servers were to be wiped out, along with all backups, I would be a happy man hehe.

The point though, is that since Apple happens to build great products, with extreme attention to detail, visually appealing, remarkably engineered, etc, etc, it just seems that they'll never go bankrupt and one-sided sites like DF will just have lots and lots to brag about. And Gruber's snark isn't going away any time soon. And the iIdiot clan will just keep getting larger and larger. Frustrating, I know :-)

So I think that's what's happening with you. It seems you can't wait for Apple to do something slightly bad, or for a competitor to do something slightly good for you to go all-out against Apple or all-out in favor of the competitor. And I get that, so I like this site for that. Your posts are better than, say, Gruber's in many ways. You research your stuff before you post. You seem to look at all the alternatives. Gruber on the other hand doesn't double check anything if it has something bad to say about Apple.

But boy, have you become biased, man! And it shows. And while I like it because of my hatred of DF and Apple, I think regulars and newcomers alike will who are unaffected by sites like DF and by the extreme level of stupidity which seems intrinsic to all/most iIdiots will be kinda put off. So, for the sake of good journalism, I believe so you should maybe, just maybe, step back the Apple hatred a bit and just keep doing what you do best: Write great OSNews articles. I think it'll be better in the long run :-)

p.s. I'm at work and had no time to proof-read this so be warned ;)

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falcon_dark Member since:
2012-08-07

Thom, I see your bias against Apple but I don't care. It's your site and your articles, so you can pretty much write what you want.

Just take care because Apple isn't claiming the invention of the green phone icon. Why this whole thing is against Samsung alone? Have you ever ask yourself why not Motorola, or Google itself? There's more than a stupid fight under this trial and you should be digging on this instead of writing poor jokes about it. Just my opinion.

I see Samsung copying Apple here. I mean, Apple didn't invent all this stuff but it did put it all together on a product. Samsung copy this: putting it all together. The USA patent system is fucked up indeed. It shouldn't allow a company to prosecute another because of putting things together. But it does. That's the real problem.

This tight patent mechanism is anti-innovation and will kill competition. This should stop and OS News should be raising this flag instead of anti-Apple fanboyism...

Apple is right because it's using the patent system to protect it's products. Samsung is right because it's just competing giving buyers what they want: a useful alternative to iPhone. The laws in the middle are wrong but nobody seems to be aware of this.

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MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

If Apple wins, the destructive effect this will have on the technology world will be massive.


This is silly. Competition is only forced to come up with something *really* new. Just copying the most successful competition would not do anymore. That's all.

And if Samsung et al. are so innovative, they won't have much problem doing that. Heck, even MS managed to come up with something on its own this time.

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kovacm Member since:
2010-12-16

I'd love to, but this is about so much more than just these two companies. This is about incumbents like Apple and Microsoft trying to stifle competition and prevent newcomers from entering the market.


Where you was in 80's and 90's when Microsoft wipeout complete competition?!?

If Apple wins, the destructive effect this will have on the technology world will be massive. This is not an attack on Samsung or Android - this is an attack on the very industry I care so much about.


...this is childish - what Apple do today compering what Microsoft was doing in 90's ;)

btw you never answer me: how old are you and what computers did you use so far? Did you have Amiga in 80's?

This is important. Very, very important.


agree.

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trrll Member since:
2009-07-04

The major consequence of Apple's failure (at least until now) to protect its designs has been a market dominated by Apple imitators, with reduced diversity of options available to consumers. For example, Palm's WebOS phones, despite positive reviews, failed not because of lawsuits from Apple, but because they were overwhelmed by the flood of cheap Android iClones from manufacturers who (because they did not have to invest in creating their own original designs, and were able to take advantage of Apple having already done the market testing) were able to undercut Palm. Blackberry looks likely to be the next victim.

So ironically, the consequence of an Apple loss will be that consumers will have few choices other than phones that emulate Apple's designs (which are fine designs, but not necessarily so perfect that they should be the only options available)

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phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

Have a little faith that ultimately, two mega corporations going after each other will have little effect on the things you care about.


Does this mean you don't care one bit about what could be patented, and more importantly, if *everything* could one day be patented!?

I clearly don't care the same than you, then.

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siraf72 Member since:
2006-02-22

I certainly do! I just don't believe this case is the be all and all of patent issues. Patent laws are the problem, not this case. I'm not a fan of software patents. I despise the idea that a company can patent a living organism or seed. Or a geometric shape.

However, when a company feels like a product is being outright ripped off by a competitor, I believe they have the right to put forward their case!

Let's save the outrage till AFTER a ruling.

EDIT - fixed rather critical typo.

Edited 2012-08-07 18:05 UTC

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phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

Plus, courts is not the only place where judgement can happen. Pocket's money and customer opinions are some others, to cite a few alternate ones...

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Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Personally, I think Samsung designs took a very strange shift towards looking like iPhones. Sure, it could be a coincidence. I doubt it, but it could be. But frankly, I don't care that much.

I don't think it is a coincidence that multiple companies use the same technology and make the same choices about how to use that technology. Apparently they have researchers that found the best practices. Weird huh?

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