Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Aug 2012 18:45 UTC
Games Valve has just announced it will start selling applications through Steam. "The Software titles coming to Steam range from creativity to productivity. Many of the launch titles will take advantage of popular Steamworks features, such as easy installation, automatic updating, and the ability to save your work to your personal Steam Cloud space so your files may travel with you. More Software titles will be added in an ongoing fashion following the September 5th launch, and developers will be welcome to submit Software titles via Steam Greenlight." I feel like a broken record at this point, but guys and girls, Valve is going to release specifications for a 'Steambox'. A set of minimum specifications a Linux or Windows machine has to adhere to, either self-built or by an OEM. Steam pre-installed, can be used as regular PC and as a console. With Windows 8 locking itself down, this is their only option - and I applaud it.
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RE[3]: Package management
by lucas_maximus on Thu 9th Aug 2012 07:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Package management"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

What universe does this happen in?

My hardware is 7 years old and I have to reboot maybe twice a month, it takes about 2 or 3 minutes to update at most.

Service Pack installation takes about 10-15 minutes at most on a reboot and that happens once every 2 years.

Also the auto-update is an absolute lie, most application prompt you on launch these days there is a newer version, anything else you have installed that nags you for an auto-update is running a service or a background process to check for auto-updates ... which usually means it is utter crap.

If you use crap software on any platform you are going to have a crap experience ... what a surprise</sarcasm>

Edited 2012-08-09 07:14 UTC

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RE[4]: Package management
by Gone fishing on Thu 9th Aug 2012 08:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Package management"
Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

What universe does this happen in?


Admittedly I don't boot into Windows (Vista on my laptop, 7 on Desktop) that often - however, for me it is a common experience when I shut down Windows will inform me that it is installing x number of updates I should not shut down and this usually takes 5 - 10 minutes. When I restart it then informs me its installing x number of updates and I have to wait 5 -10 minutes sometimes longer, infrequently less. Even if it was only 3 minutes is this acceptable? In Linux this never happens.

Also the auto-update is an absolute lie, most application prompt you on launch these days there is a newer version.


Java updater immediately comes to mind - but even with your best case scenario when I start an app I want it to start not inform me it wants to update.

You do realise calling someone a liar is offensive? last time you responded to a post of mine you told me to f**K off. You seem to have great difficulty responding appropriately.

Edited 2012-08-09 08:12 UTC

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RE[5]: Package management
by lucas_maximus on Thu 9th Aug 2012 10:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Package management"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

So you don't reboot into it regularly and you are surprised that there are more updates and they take longer to install?

I am sure if I didn't boot my fedora core installation in 3 months it would take a while to download and install all the updates.

Edited 2012-08-09 11:06 UTC

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RE[5]: Package management
by ilovebeer on Thu 9th Aug 2012 16:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Package management"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

Admittedly I don't boot into Windows (Vista on my laptop, 7 on Desktop) that often - however, for me it is a common experience when I shut down Windows will inform me that it is installing x number of updates I should not shut down and this usually takes 5 - 10 minutes. When I restart it then informs me its installing x number of updates and I have to wait 5 -10 minutes sometimes longer, infrequently less. Even if it was only 3 minutes is this acceptable? In Linux this never happens.

Your system does seem to be unusually slow. You ask, is 3 minutes acceptable? Sure, why shouldn't it be? No updates occur instantaneously. It can easily happen in Linux too. Don't update your Linux packages in a while and when you finally do, it's going to take a few minutes.

Btw, Linux also has it's own big problems and annoyances so be careful how much you try to put it on a pedestal.

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