Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Aug 2012 18:45 UTC
Games Valve has just announced it will start selling applications through Steam. "The Software titles coming to Steam range from creativity to productivity. Many of the launch titles will take advantage of popular Steamworks features, such as easy installation, automatic updating, and the ability to save your work to your personal Steam Cloud space so your files may travel with you. More Software titles will be added in an ongoing fashion following the September 5th launch, and developers will be welcome to submit Software titles via Steam Greenlight." I feel like a broken record at this point, but guys and girls, Valve is going to release specifications for a 'Steambox'. A set of minimum specifications a Linux or Windows machine has to adhere to, either self-built or by an OEM. Steam pre-installed, can be used as regular PC and as a console. With Windows 8 locking itself down, this is their only option - and I applaud it.
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RE[4]: Package management
by Gone fishing on Thu 9th Aug 2012 08:10 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Package management"
Gone fishing
Member since:
2006-02-22

What universe does this happen in?


Admittedly I don't boot into Windows (Vista on my laptop, 7 on Desktop) that often - however, for me it is a common experience when I shut down Windows will inform me that it is installing x number of updates I should not shut down and this usually takes 5 - 10 minutes. When I restart it then informs me its installing x number of updates and I have to wait 5 -10 minutes sometimes longer, infrequently less. Even if it was only 3 minutes is this acceptable? In Linux this never happens.

Also the auto-update is an absolute lie, most application prompt you on launch these days there is a newer version.


Java updater immediately comes to mind - but even with your best case scenario when I start an app I want it to start not inform me it wants to update.

You do realise calling someone a liar is offensive? last time you responded to a post of mine you told me to f**K off. You seem to have great difficulty responding appropriately.

Edited 2012-08-09 08:12 UTC

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RE[5]: Package management
by lucas_maximus on Thu 9th Aug 2012 10:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Package management"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

So you don't reboot into it regularly and you are surprised that there are more updates and they take longer to install?

I am sure if I didn't boot my fedora core installation in 3 months it would take a while to download and install all the updates.

Edited 2012-08-09 11:06 UTC

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RE[6]: Package management
by dylansmrjones on Thu 9th Aug 2012 11:50 in reply to "RE[5]: Package management"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

The poster did not appear to be surprised, but rather the poster was annoyed. Which isn't surprising. But a 20 minute bootup time still seems awfully long in my eyes, but perhaps it is different for users of windows server 2008. We may not get that many updates anymore or what? Or what is just a bit of hyperbolean logic?

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RE[5]: Package management
by ilovebeer on Thu 9th Aug 2012 16:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Package management"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

Admittedly I don't boot into Windows (Vista on my laptop, 7 on Desktop) that often - however, for me it is a common experience when I shut down Windows will inform me that it is installing x number of updates I should not shut down and this usually takes 5 - 10 minutes. When I restart it then informs me its installing x number of updates and I have to wait 5 -10 minutes sometimes longer, infrequently less. Even if it was only 3 minutes is this acceptable? In Linux this never happens.

Your system does seem to be unusually slow. You ask, is 3 minutes acceptable? Sure, why shouldn't it be? No updates occur instantaneously. It can easily happen in Linux too. Don't update your Linux packages in a while and when you finally do, it's going to take a few minutes.

Btw, Linux also has it's own big problems and annoyances so be careful how much you try to put it on a pedestal.

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RE[6]: Package management
by Gone fishing on Thu 9th Aug 2012 17:52 in reply to "RE[5]: Package management"
Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

Your system does seem to be unusually slow. You ask, is 3 minutes acceptable? Sure, why shouldn't it be? No updates occur instantaneously. It can easily happen in Linux too. Don't update your Linux packages in a while and when you finally do, it's going to take a few minutes.

Btw, Linux also has it's own big problems and annoyances so be careful how much you try to put it on a pedestal.


I don't believe my Windows is slow - in fact I know it isn't my Windows is actually quite fast as it doesn't have loads of crap installed, just NOD AV, Office and a couple of other Windows only apps, the update on Windows I am talking about is normal, so lets not pretend it isn't. Now on Ubuntu updating is great I'm warned of updates (to the whole system apps and all). I click update and it updates I can run other apps whilst this is happening and my boot up and shut down are not effected at all. Linux/Ubuntu is great you should try it.

Ubuntu and other Linux have problems one of them is lack of apps such as games, this valve steam news is very interesting, I'm not absolutely opposed to proprietary software and am interested to see where this goes.

Other OSes are great too FreeBSD and BeOS come to mind, BeOS was a great OS largely killed by lack of apps dirty tricks by MS.

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RE[6]: Package management
by lucas_maximus on Thu 9th Aug 2012 18:31 in reply to "RE[5]: Package management"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

He was lying unless he has a pentium 3 system and a 4800rpm hardrive.

We all know that those times might apply to a massive first update only or a service pack ... the same as been true since Vista.

Updates in XP were slow and painful, yes. However it just isn't true since Vista, updates happen almost silently.

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