Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 11th Aug 2012 17:22 UTC
Google Nobody needs a tablet, but many people still want a tablet. This is still the core differentiator between a 'real' computer and a tablet. At least in The Netherlands, you can't function in society without a desktop or laptop connected to the internet, so people need a computer. A tablet, though? Hence, the most common thing people have told me when they played with my iPad 2 is this: I'd love to have a tablet, but not for hundreds of euros. Enter Google's Nexus 7, the first 'cheap' tablet that doesn't just validate Android as a tablet platform, but also gives the iPad a run for its money.
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SDCards
by bornagainenguin on Sat 11th Aug 2012 17:40 UTC
bornagainenguin
Member since:
2005-08-07

A tablet (especially one like this intended for media consumption) needs more storage than what the Nexus 7 series offers. The lack of any way to add user-loadable storage just kills this device. Too bad because I was actually pretty excited about it up until I discovered this failing.

I understand that some people are fortunate to be somewhere where everyone has fiber optic connections to the Internet and free WiFi is available at all times--but most people do not live in such an environment. Saying that you can get everything from the cloud only works if you can always count on being somewhere with access to that cloud. The cloud is not the answer here.

Besides I would think with the Megaupload situation and the prevalence of false DMCA attacks, anyone trusting in storage they can't physically access is being foolish. Did we learn nothing from the shuttering of Google Video? From the Plays for Sure debacle?

Nice toy, but even at these low prices I'm still not convinced the Nexus 7 is a buy. Looks like I'm going to be sticking with my Nook Color for a little bit longer after all....

--bornagainpenguin

PS: For those who'd like a more iOS like experience on Android, give Espier Launcher a try with the iPad option checked in settings and you may be pleasantly surprised. Personally I'm still holding out hope for a JoyOS port to CM9\10 in the near future....

Edited 2012-08-11 17:47 UTC

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RE: SDCards
by modmans2ndcoming on Sat 11th Aug 2012 19:21 in reply to "SDCards"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

1) 16 gig is plenty for local storage
2) it is meant for cloud based services more than local media
3) if you are in a situation where you need to have local media, 16 gigs is plenty.

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RE[2]: SDCards
by chiwaw on Sat 11th Aug 2012 21:45 in reply to "RE: SDCards"
chiwaw Member since:
2006-02-05

1) 16 gig is plenty for local storage

Not everyone has the same usage pattern for these devices. Might be plenty enough for you and most people, but not for others.

2) it is meant for cloud based services more than local media

Not everyone wants to deal with cloud. I have almost everything iCloud turned off on my iPad because I often time have to use it without internet connection.

3) if you are in a situation where you need to have local media, 16 gigs is plenty.

Again, not everyone as the same usage pattern. There's no such thing as a "one size fit all". I'm sure Google did it because it's enough for most users. But many other people definitely may need more.

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RE[2]: SDCards
by curio on Sat 11th Aug 2012 21:45 in reply to "RE: SDCards"
curio Member since:
2010-05-03

I do believe--Yes--he(bornagainpenguin)did introduce the easily understood concept that a tablet lacking SdCard memory expandability isn't always appropriate when in areas where the cloud isn't always available, and/or--I'll add--if the user wants to retain full control over all their media, values their privacy, and/or doesn't want to risk being "Honan'd" (Matt Honan). So to sum it up, the Nexus 7 does in fact have a serious shortcoming in that regard, and it is definitely a deal-breaker for some. Myself being one of them.

However, thank you ever so very much for setting us all straight as to "16 gigs being plenty for local storage", and being also good enough to repeat it twice in your three point argument, with your only other point "it is meant for cloud based services more than local media" being the utter epitome of "You don't say". "Really?".

Who are you, or anyone, to even think you know what is appropriate storage for everyone's needs? Much less to make some B.S. declaration akin to Moses waving his hand to part the Red Sea, over this issue?

Getting a little weary of people ramming what is (IMHO)this whole "connected 24-7 cloud storage/Google Now perpetual umbilical cord nonsense" down people's throats like we simply can no longer survive without it.

Further, who, besides a very select few industry or political na-bobs, unfortunate Alzheimer patients or just plain retarded people, need to have Google Now to tell them when to catch a flight, when to leave for work, or when to stuff a Burrito/etc.. in their effing suck-holes?

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RE[2]: SDCards
by tony on Sun 12th Aug 2012 11:06 in reply to "RE: SDCards"
tony Member since:
2005-07-06

1) 16 gig is plenty for local storage
2) it is meant for cloud based services more than local media
3) if you are in a situation where you need to have local media, 16 gigs is plenty.


Oof, 16 GB is not plenty, especially if you can't count on a decent network connection. 16 GB downright sucks.

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USB OTG Host + Mass Storage Drivers
by tidux on Sat 11th Aug 2012 21:26 in reply to "SDCards"
tidux Member since:
2011-08-13

You can get literally terabytes of storage with an external hard drive and an adapter.

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clasqm Member since:
2010-09-23

You can get literally terabytes of storage with an external hard drive and an adapter.


I thought this was about mobile computing?

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RE: SDCards
by chiwaw on Sat 11th Aug 2012 21:41 in reply to "SDCards"
chiwaw Member since:
2006-02-05

I agree with you. If I was into Android & smaller tablets, the Nexus 7 would be one of the top contenders, but in the end the small amount of storage would play against it.

My iPad 3 has the max storage (64 Gig) and I'm always borderline full. Having to deal with only 16 Gig would give me too much headache. To be honest, maybe I'm just an edge case and most people would be just fine with it.

Also if I was into Android/smaller tablets, I would probably wait and see what Amazon is planning for the next Kindle Fire, as I personally like more controlled eco-systems for my tablets/phones.

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RE: SDCards
by OMRebel on Sat 11th Aug 2012 22:46 in reply to "SDCards"
OMRebel Member since:
2005-11-14

Just curious - but what would you want to store on the tablet? The reason I'm asking is my Internet options where I live are zilch - I'm stuck using a rural phone carrier and only get 1.5 Mbps. I use Google Music for storing my music (my music collection hasn't surpassed 20,000 songs) and I use Google Drive for storing everything else. I haven't really ran into any problems with needing additional storage on the device. To be honest, I rarely watch movies on it, and if I do, it's either using Netflix or my Amazon Prime Instant account. I fully realize my needs aren't the same as everyone elses. Just curious about the desire for additional storage.........

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RE[2]: SDCards
by Fergy on Sun 12th Aug 2012 09:03 in reply to "RE: SDCards"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Just curious - but what would you want to store on the tablet? The reason I'm asking is my Internet options where I live are zilch - I'm stuck using a rural phone carrier and only get 1.5 Mbps. I use Google Music for storing my music (my music collection hasn't surpassed 20,000 songs) and I use Google Drive for storing everything else. I haven't really ran into any problems with needing additional storage on the device. To be honest, I rarely watch movies on it, and if I do, it's either using Netflix or my Amazon Prime Instant account. I fully realize my needs aren't the same as everyone elses. Just curious about the desire for additional storage.........

If you get 1.5Mbps on a 3G connection you have a really great connection. A great use of a tablet is watching movies and series away from home. If you don't want to load everything you might want to watch every day on your tablet 16GB is not enough. One season is already 8GB+. And I wish I could get netflix or amazon prime instant but most of the world doesn't have that.

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RE[2]: SDCards
by chiwaw on Tue 14th Aug 2012 07:11 in reply to "RE: SDCards"
chiwaw Member since:
2006-02-05

To answer your question, I plugged in my iPad and looked at the allocations:

18Gb for Videos
9Gb for Photos & home videos
27Gb for Apps
2Gb for "Others" (not sure what that is)

I don't have music on it, which I keep only on my iPhone.

I might be an edge case, but I'm definitely one of those who needs a 64Gb tablet ;)

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RE: SDCards
by ggiunta on Mon 13th Aug 2012 08:02 in reply to "SDCards"
ggiunta Member since:
2006-01-13

16gb builtin is definitely not enough. That's the reason I bought an archos g9 for my dad. 80gb builtin storage, gives plenty of room to manage his picture collection when on holiday (he can shoot 16gb in a couple of days).
While I do travel with a laptop and sometimes external hdd, he does not. And not having to take a laptop along was the main selling point for buying the thing.
Only complaint: the device should have come with a builtin sd card reader, or plain-size usb adapter. Transferring data over is still a bit too complex for the luddite-user, non-wirelss scenario

Edited 2012-08-13 08:09 UTC

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RE: SDCards
by zlynx on Mon 13th Aug 2012 22:53 in reply to "SDCards"
zlynx Member since:
2005-07-20

You need more than 16GB? Why?

I've got 23GB of music files, but I don't care to listen to most of it.

I've got 38GB of images, but I don't care to look at most of them.

Video, especially movie files, can eat 16GB in no time at all. But how many movies do you need to store locally? Surely you can reconnect with your laptop or desktop after watching six hours of video.

Do you travel with a folder full of SDcards with your entire movie collection just in case you want to watch Babe: Pig in the City?

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RE[2]: SDCards
by tomcat on Tue 14th Aug 2012 02:29 in reply to "RE: SDCards"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

You need more than 16GB? Why?

I've got 23GB of music files, but I don't care to listen to most of it.

I've got 38GB of images, but I don't care to look at most of them.

Video, especially movie files, can eat 16GB in no time at all. But how many movies do you need to store locally? Surely you can reconnect with your laptop or desktop after watching six hours of video.

Do you travel with a folder full of SDcards with your entire movie collection just in case you want to watch Babe: Pig in the City?


For God's sake, YOU are not HIM. I trust him to know his own needs better than you.

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RE[2]: SDCards
by chiwaw on Tue 14th Aug 2012 17:26 in reply to "RE: SDCards"
chiwaw Member since:
2006-02-05

"I've got 23GB of music files, but I don't care to listen to most of it."

I need 64Gb but I don't even put my music on my iPad (I use my phone for that).

"I've got 38GB of images, but I don't care to look at most of them."

I try to keep my photo album and home videos VERY tidy, but it's still 9Gb. And there's no such thing as putting on my iPad only a selection of them as if I can say "hum this week I'm gonna look at this photo but not this one". My iPad is my defacto personal photo album and it makes no sense not having everything on it.

"Video, especially movie files, can eat 16GB in no time at all. But how many movies do you need to store locally? Surely you can reconnect with your laptop or desktop after watching six hours of video."

I fly many times a year, often time outside the country where WiFi is not always available, and when it is, where most streaming services are blocking access from outside the US. And if on a trip I think I'm gonna watch 4 movies, I don't want to put only 4 movies on it and being restricted on what I can watch. I want a little bit of everything so I have options on what I feel like watching at the moment.

I'm also mostly gaming on my iPad, which takes almost half my 64Gb iPad. Like my photos I try to keep it low, but I still want a selection to pick from depending on my mood, not having to limit myself to 3-4 games.

Also I got a whole lot of comic books I want to read.

I guess the common thing is: I *could* only bring the bare minimum in everything and make do with it, but I much rather have a selection in everything so I'm not stuck with something I'm not in the mood for. And having that option is absolutely worth the extra $ for me.

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RE[2]: SDCards
by ggiunta on Wed 15th Aug 2012 12:38 in reply to "RE: SDCards"
ggiunta Member since:
2006-01-13

Yes. My father goes on holiday with a pocket full of sd cards.
His dislike of "computers" is enough to make him prefer that to taking around a laptop, or laptop+hdd. He's traveling today with around 120GB of pics, so 2 x 64GB cards would do. But he's got a lot of cards ranging from 4 to 16 GB he bought over time, so why not use them.

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RE: SDCards
by zima on Sat 18th Aug 2012 22:22 in reply to "SDCards"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Did we learn nothing from the shuttering of Google Video? From the Plays for Sure debacle?

Google Video content was moved to YT... it's actually more a kind of positive example, along the lines of "once uploaded to the cloud, always in the cloud" (and Plays for Sure - failing of a service with locally stored data, so also could be used by some as an argument for "the cloud" I guess)

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