Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 13th Aug 2012 00:20 UTC, submitted by Markus Su
Mozilla & Gecko clones Mozilla's Dave Mason, when asked by derStandard.at what the most scary part of Firefox' roadmap is: "It has to be Firefox OS which is a huge step for Mozilla. It is exciting and scary at the same time. This is the first time we had to partner with some other companies to get to the end results so that's a hard transition for us." I commend Mozilla for attempting this. I've been trying out Firefox on my Nexus 7 today, and it's really, really good (save for the interface, which needs some serious Holo love). If this is an indication for what Firefox OS is going to be like - good on 'm.
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Why?
by JoshuaS on Mon 13th Aug 2012 10:41 UTC
JoshuaS
Member since:
2011-09-15

I don't get why Mozilla wants to put resources into a browser OS, when by the success of Chrome it's crystal-clear that nobody wants such a thing.

Seriously, I have been a Firefox enthousiast for 10 years. I remember getting my hands on it as a teenager when it was still called Phoenix. I remember how I used to advocate Firefox to my nerdy friends and my family. But it's getting harder and harder to stay on this ship. Firefox crashes all the time on Windows 7. And no, it's not always Flash player. Sometimes Firefox itself even closes randomly and I lose my entire session, even when just reading an ASCII man page for a UNIX-command online! It's becoming more and more unusable as the years go by! If the Firefox team is not going to get its priorities straight soon instead of this Szeleney-like behavior and actually make Firefox a joy to use again, I'm afraid that after all this time Firefox and me will have to part ways. And that makes me sad.

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RE: Why?
by pandronic on Mon 13th Aug 2012 11:51 in reply to "Why?"
pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

I'm not denying your experience and I've read comments from a few other people having the same experience, but this Firefox behavior is a mystery to me. On several low and high end systems, Windows 7 and XP powered I've never encountered anything like that. Maybe it's some corner case or something specific to a certain usage pattern?

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RE[2]: Why?
by JoshuaS on Mon 13th Aug 2012 15:09 in reply to "RE: Why?"
JoshuaS Member since:
2011-09-15

As always, experiences may vary. But I feel that Mozilla is under an ostrich effect. They are losing a lot more people over these issues as you might think. I even know a handful of old study buddies telling me they switched to Chrome from Firefox because of performance issues, and now with the stability issues and Chrome add-ons it's hard to stay positive about Firefox next to Chrome.

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RE: Why?
by bassbeast on Tue 14th Aug 2012 01:17 in reply to "Why?"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

While I personally switched over to Comodo Dragon if you want to keep FF and figure out WTH is causing the crashes here is what you do:

Go download a program called "Dependency Walker" which is just a zipped .exe, nothing to install, and run it. When it starts point it to the FF .exe and I bet you'll find several RED entries on the list below the main window. Those red entries are .DLLs that FF is trying to call the DW can't find which means FF can't find them either. I wouldn't be surprised if on one of the bazillion updates FF has had lately one or more .DLLs got screwed and its causing the browser to crash.

That said look into Comodo Dragon. It'll copy your bookmarks and passwords from FF if you wish, is rock solid stable no matter how many updates come out (I've updated mine from 6-20 without a hassle), supports the most used extensions like ABP and readability, supports low rights mode in Win 7 for safer browsing (even after 6 years FF still doesn't support LRM) and it has some nice optional security features like Comodo Secure DNS and site inspector.

Like you I was an old school FF user, and used the Moz Suite before that. But ever since Chrome came out the quality of FF has just gone downhill IMHO and after one freeze too many I tried around a dozen different browsers before settling on Dragon. While I'll always look fondly back on my time with FF my customers come to me expecting me to recommend the best most reliable tool for the job and FF just ain't it anymore.

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RE: Why?
by Neolander on Tue 14th Aug 2012 06:40 in reply to "Why?"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Coming from someone who has no issues with Firefox at the moment but has had in the past, have you tried to empty the cache, and if it doesn't work delete your user profile ? (Should be somewhere in AppData, be careful that all settings and extensions will be lost)

I remember that a few times in the past, I suddenly experienced lots of Firefox crashes and had to perform this last operation to restore sanity. This was not caused by browser updates in most cases, so my personal guess is that the combinations of frequent hardware failures and unjournalized filesystems that I had at the time is to blame for this.

Also, if this does not solve the problem and you have extensions installed, you may want to try disabling those one by one and see if some are to blame for this.

Edited 2012-08-14 06:54 UTC

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RE: Why?
by Fergy on Tue 14th Aug 2012 21:35 in reply to "Why?"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Firefox crashes all the time on Windows 7.

Wow all those hundreds of millions of users must be really stupid to put up with a constantly crashing browser!
That statement really sounds stupid doesn't it? How about I change your quote to what you wanted to say: "Firefox crashes all the time for me. I hate that and I am going to change browsers."

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