Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 11th Aug 2012 17:22 UTC
Google Nobody needs a tablet, but many people still want a tablet. This is still the core differentiator between a 'real' computer and a tablet. At least in The Netherlands, you can't function in society without a desktop or laptop connected to the internet, so people need a computer. A tablet, though? Hence, the most common thing people have told me when they played with my iPad 2 is this: I'd love to have a tablet, but not for hundreds of euros. Enter Google's Nexus 7, the first 'cheap' tablet that doesn't just validate Android as a tablet platform, but also gives the iPad a run for its money.
Thread beginning with comment 530978
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE: Reward Apple?
by zlynx on Mon 13th Aug 2012 23:14 UTC in reply to "Reward Apple?"
zlynx
Member since:
2005-07-20

Reward Apple because they seem to be the only computer manufacturer that actually innovates and does risky things successfully.

First computer I ever saw with a USB keyboard and mouse: Apple.

First computer I ever saw without a floppy drive: Apple.

First to use EFI on a consumer product: Apple.

First affordable and available really high resolution displays? Apple.

First to use Thunderbolt aka Lightpeak: Apple.

Every other PC manufacturer is so involved in shipping low priced product that nothing risky is done.

If they do manage something interesting, it is badly thought out and/or not marketed and/or abandoned after less than a year. Acer Iconia laptop with dual touchscreen anyone? How about those crazy-expensive 7 pound tablet computers running x86 Windows with an always-lost stylus and a mere 2 hour battery life?

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: Reward Apple?
by UltraZelda64 on Tue 14th Aug 2012 01:44 in reply to "RE: Reward Apple?"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

I wouldn't say all of those "innovations" you claimed were truly innovative, let alone very important changes. I mean, come on--they removed the floppy drive. Some truly groundbreaking, hi-tech moves there that would have never happened if it wasn't for the amazing Apple. [Not.] And for every one of these so-called innovations, they erode more of your freedom and lock you further into their devices. Yeah! Go Apple!

And ironically, one of those innovations--EFI--was directly responsible for making typical, generic x86 "PCs" made by Apple incompatible with everything else out there, while also paving the way for the extremely locked down hardware that has been materializing in recent years through the use of "trusted" (yeah right) computing. Again... go Apple!

Maybe I need to go out, bend over and buy an overpriced Apple product myself now. Take "their" form of "gotcha by the balls" computing right up the ass.

Edited 2012-08-14 01:49 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[3]: Reward Apple?
by darknexus on Tue 14th Aug 2012 04:37 in reply to "RE[2]: Reward Apple?"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

And ironically, one of those innovations--EFI--was directly responsible for making typical, generic x86 "PCs" made by Apple incompatible with everything else out there, while also paving the way for the extremely locked down hardware that has been materializing in recent years through the use of "trusted" (yeah right) computing.


Funny that. Last time I checked, I've got my current generation Apple machine tripple booting OS X, Windows, and Linux. Yeah, that's so locked down. If you're pissed off about the direction EFI is going on generic X86 hardware and this secure boot nonsense (I know I am) then why don't you point the finger where it belongs: Microsoft and the OEMs that don't have the balls to stand up to them. Interestingly enough, I don't have to deal with secure boot on my Apple machine, go figure. I can boot whatever the hell I want on this thing so long as it's an X86 os (EFI support preferable but not required), and I didn't even have to unlock anything. iDevices are locked down annoyances, but that hasn't yet extended to Macs. If it does, I'll have to go somewhere else though I don't know where as Linux's audio stack absolutely sucks and high quality audio support is an absolute necessity for what I do.

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[2]: Reward Apple?
by ggiunta on Wed 15th Aug 2012 12:39 in reply to "RE: Reward Apple?"
ggiunta Member since:
2006-01-13

Yes, and EFI is an absolute nightmare for all multiboot needs...

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[2]: Reward Apple?
by zima on Sat 18th Aug 2012 23:06 in reply to "RE: Reward Apple?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Reward Apple because they seem to be the only computer manufacturer that actually innovates and does risky things successfully.
First computer I ever saw with a USB [...] without a floppy drive [...] to use EFI on a consumer product [...] affordable and available really high resolution displays [...] Lightpeak: Apple.
Every other PC manufacturer is so involved in shipping low priced product that nothing risky is done.

All of those things were not developed by Apple, but by the industry at large (which simply doesn't rush the tech it developed, before it can be really useful, for some pointless PR). Apple "innovates and does risky things" only by piggybacking on advancements of the industry; also exploiting how Macs are just PCs now, they couldn't compete on their own.

Here, in the words of the messiah ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LEXae1j6EY&feature=player_detailpag... ):
Apple had its head in the sand for the last many years [...] missed out [...] attitude of arrogance [...] the rest of the world passed us by [...] we need to bring the Mac up into the modern world [...] because we weren't first, because we didn't set the standards [...] this whole notion of being so proprietary in every facet what we do has really hurt us [...] reinvent the wheel our own way; and yeah it might be 10% better but usually it ended up being about 50% worse

Also, in the grand traditional of the faithful, you overlook history - the first computer without a floppy drive was probably Amiga CDTV. And, just like iMac, quite universally forcing people into a waste of buying an external floppy drive; in both cases it was simply way too early, without real alternative present yet - that is not innovation
(no pendrives, web access fledgling; if Apple threw into the box a few/dozen-MiB USB drive, that would be innovative; or at least CD writer as standard)

Plus, disconnected from the world at large in your Apple bubble, you have a weird meaning of "affordable"...

And let's not forget how that "innovation" of using a new industry-standard bus (instead of the totally inadequate Mac-legacy ADB), for keyboard & mouse, was accompanied by a) the dreadful "hockey puck" b) building into the keyboard a full USB hub ...only to give it just one port, occupied by a mouse.

Reply Parent Score: 2