Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 15th Aug 2012 21:30 UTC
Windows Microsoft has made Windows 8's final release available to MSDN and TechNet subscribers, so if you are one of those - have fun. The 90-day trial has also been released, so us mere mortals can have a go at it as well. The evaluation version is Windows 8 Enterprise, so it contains a number of features regular users normally won't see. As far as I can tell - it's a bit unclear - the trial version cannot be upgraded to a final version a few months down the line. Happy testing!
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WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

Is there anything you really need that it does noticably faster or better than Windows 7?
Going from XP or Vista to 7 is a move I can understand. Going from 7 to 8 .. not so much.

Ideas?


Well, looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8 the only thing on that whole list that matters to me is faster boot, nothing else; I don't care about integration with Microsoft-accounts, about Windows Store, the new family safety - features or anything else on that list. Increased performance wasn't mentioned on that list and that's the second thing that matters to me. Basically, not much.

But really, you should look at that list and see if there is anything that matters to you. No one else can quite tell you what you need or don't need.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

In a reply to myself: it actually seems Windows 8 isn't an upgrade over Windows 7 even performance-wise, atleast according to various benchmarks. http://www.techspot.com/review/561-windows8-vs-windows7/ was a good read if anyone else happens to be interested.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

it actually seems Windows 8 isn't an upgrade over Windows 7 even performance-wise, atleast according to various benchmarks

Not sure it needs to be - "clean" & bug-free are probably more important, and Win7 is plenty fast enough on any sensible system.

With "performance" in general, there's probably plenty of ~placebo going on - why would computers be immune to such http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/2008/pr-wine-011608.html effects?
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Mouse_vs._keyboard/index.html - this seems like one of them. Or note how many people swore by trackpoints, but rigours of actual research seem to suggest that touchpads are superior: some examples linked in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick#Comparison_with_touchpa... (conversely, note how the views and links supportive of trackpoint seem to be "subjective opinion" in character) & http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18522893 external link.
(and I even personally do like trackpoints, I'm used to the concept; but...)

Once I even tested an overclocker buddy, who claimed big noticeable improvements ...thing is, in a controlled test, he wasn't able to reliably tell when the CPU was clocked at half the speed; his guesses were not statistically better than chance.

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tanzam75 Member since:
2011-05-19

You don't use multiple monitors?

The new multi-monitor taskbar is, by itself, worth $20. That's what third-party taskbars sell for -- and they aren't as good. (Not necessarily out of any fault of theirs, but owing to the fact that developers will test against the built-in Windows taskbar, but not against third-party add-ons.)

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Be advised Werecatf that the "faster boot" is an ugly hack that could cause problems down the line. The way it works is it does NOT actually do a clean boot but instead loads the kernel and userland in a hibernate file at the front of the drive and from what I've seen unless you pull the plug or battery it doesn't do a full RAM flush either, but instead does more of a hybrid sleep kinda thing.

Its a pretty ugly looking hack and if your OS gets flaky it'll be that much harder to get a true clean boot. No telling what those extra I/Os are gonna do as far as wear and tear if you go SSD either. That said at $40 I'll pick up a copy of Pro just in the off chance I run into a program that requires Win 8 for some reason but I'm advising my customers that they'd be better off picking up one of the Win 7 Family Packs where you get 7 HP for $40 a copy for 3 installs and then if they need XP Mode simply use Virtualbox.

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ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

It's also a fast boot into metro.

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tanzam75 Member since:
2011-05-19

Be advised Werecatf that the "faster boot" is an ugly hack that could cause problems down the line. The way it works is it does NOT actually do a clean boot but instead loads the kernel and userland in a hibernate file at the front of the drive and from what I've seen unless you pull the plug or battery it doesn't do a full RAM flush either, but instead does more of a hybrid sleep kinda thing.


While that's true, it's still much cleaner than hibernation, as most users practice it. That's because the user session is logged out before the system is hibernated for hybrid boot.

It's been my experience that full restarts are rarely necessary to clear state. People just do it habitually, but logoff-logon will usually do the trick.

Also note that many driver changes and Windows Updates will still trigger a full reboot. Thus, they're not throwing away clean boots entirely. They're just reducing the frequency to roughly once per month.

No telling what those extra I/Os are gonna do as far as wear and tear if you go SSD either.


Practically nothing. There's no write amplification from the sector size mismatch, because the hibernation file is written sequentially in one large block.

In any case, SSD "range anxiety" has long ago been debunked as exaggerated. If you're running a transactional database for a web server, then you should worry about SSD lifetime. If you're just using a computer as a normal user -- or even a power user -- then you have little to worry about.

Thus far, the track record of SSDs suggests that they're much more likely to suffer a controller failure or experience a firmware glitch than hit the flash lifetime.

Worrying about flash lifetime is like driving to the airport and worrying about dying in a plane crash. The drive is more dangerous than the airplane ride.

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