Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 20th Aug 2012 22:14 UTC
Legal "The web has been alight these past few weeks with the details of the Apple v. Samsung lawsuit. It's been a unique opportunity to peer behind the curtain of how these two companies operate, as the trial seeks to answer the question: did Samsung copy Apple? But there's actually another question that I think is much more interesting to the future of innovation in the technology industry: regardless of whether the courts say that Samsung copied Apple or not, would we all be better off if we allowed - even encouraged - companies to copy one another?" This is very relevant.
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RE: Ridiculous
by satsujinka on Tue 21st Aug 2012 01:08 UTC in reply to "Ridiculous"
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2010-03-11

If an idea can be copied so quickly that the originator of the idea can't establish themselves, then the idea probably wasn't very innovative.

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RE[2]: Ridiculous
by koffie on Tue 21st Aug 2012 11:21 in reply to "RE: Ridiculous"
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2010-05-06

And that is exactly the problem. The 'iPhone' might seem simple to copy at first, but when did the iPhone come out? 2007. It is (in my opinion) only since the Samsung Galaxy S2 and now Android 4.0/4.1 that decent competition is there from that corner, and even with that many cores thrown at it - it still sometimes feels laggy.

The problem is that it "looked" the same at first glance, but it wasn't, it was a bad copy. They copied the looks, and completely missed out on the 'feel' part. And yes that reflects badly on Apple, since people think it's "just the same", and Android manufacturers try very hard to convince customers of just this - that it is the same. People are put of then by this idea of a 'smartphone'.

Android, and certainly the Samsung Touchwiz interface was simply put, a bad copy, and people dismissed this as "a bad idea" in general, and yes I know quite a few of those, who refuse to even consider a new 'smartphone' because they had bad experiences with crappy Android 1.6 phones.

Now just to be clear, I use an iPhone and I never liked Android until it reached 4.0, and that's not out of blind fanboy-ism. I'm confronted with mobile development every day - and in order to do this "right" you have to get to know the phone, so you have to use it. For example, I really like what MS managed to do with the Windows Mobile 7 architecture, which is probably the nicest I've seen in mobile. This is a ground-up rebuild of their own (pretty neat) ideas, it was maybe inspired by, and certainly copied a lot of things from iOS - but they did a good job copying it. The only things stopping me from switching to WinMo7 are messed up software upgrade path, my iOS software collection and decent hardware.

And that is also something I still want to see: decent Android hardware where I can leave on my wifi, gprs/3g/ bluetooth and location services and still get through the day on one charge, without relying on battery optimizers/appliction killer apps. I don't want to do the phone's work, and the iPhone apparently still is the only smartphone that is able to pull this off.

Every day I:
- call approximately 1 hour/day, of which half of the time it's connected to my bluetooth handsfree set in my car
- send 20 to 40 or so messages
- connect it to my car-stereo to play music - which doesn't charge it, thanks to Apple changing that for the iPhone vs iPod, what's even worse is that Apple decided it had to turn on the screen constantly to warn you about this fact that it isn't charging - draining the battery even more.
- Play an occasional game
- read my mails, check facebook,
- Check in occasionally in foursquare and have google latitude on 24/7

I never turn off any feature on my 2-y old iPhone 4, and I only charge my phone at night, wake up, get through the day and at 1am - when I go to bed, my phone usually has about 10% battery left, sometimes it runs out if it was a busy day. So if other phone manufacturers should copy ONE feature: THIS IS IT. THAT would be good for innovation. Not the "how it looks".

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RE[3]: Ridiculous
by JAlexoid on Wed 22nd Aug 2012 15:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Ridiculous"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

I don't want to do the phone's work, and the iPhone apparently still is the only smartphone that is able to pull this off.

How are those 2009 misconceptions working out for you?

(Nexus S GT9023 - constantly use it as my Endomondo tracker. Gets 4.5 hours of 3G+GPS+music, in the non-low power Endomondo mode.)

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RE[2]: Ridiculous
by tylerdurden on Tue 21st Aug 2012 18:28 in reply to "RE: Ridiculous"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

That is a ridiculously subjective assessment.

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RE[3]: Ridiculous
by satsujinka on Wed 22nd Aug 2012 04:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Ridiculous"
satsujinka Member since:
2010-03-11

Because "innovative" is ridiculously subjective. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the impression that something is "innovative" is inversely correlated with knowledge in that particular field.

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