Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 20th Aug 2012 21:04 UTC, submitted by suka
Gnome In a recent interview with the Austrian newssite derStandard.at, GNOME designer Jon McCann talks about GNOME OS, the consequences of Canonical leaving GNOME behind, the purported removal of features and the future role of Linux distributions. "I think there was a time when GNOME had kind of a crisis, we didn't know where we wanted to go, we were lacking goals and vision - that was the end of the GNOME2 cycle. So we pulled together and formed a vision where we want to go - and actually did something about it. And now we have been marching on that plan for quite some time."
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Not so fluffy at all
by mat69 on Tue 21st Aug 2012 21:36 UTC
mat69
Member since:
2006-03-29

The situation is apparantly not as fluffy as the interviewee makes it out to be.

Especially in the nautilus case the actual author of the extra pane gets constantly ignored.
His questions to specify which code is a mess remain unanswered.
His enquiries how to realise certain user scenarios with two nautilus windows next to each other get no attention ...

All this is documented here [1].
Also the links there are quite interesting.

In my opinion this is a disaster. How do you want to attract new developers and keep the old ones if you treat them and their work that way.

Instead of improving something that might not be ideal it gets removed. If this is really the way to go, then well, then gnome would need removal too ...

[1] http://berndth.blogspot.de/2012/08/nautilus-extra-pane-removal-myth...

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RE: Not so fluffy at all
by Hiev on Tue 21st Aug 2012 21:47 in reply to "Not so fluffy at all"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

That is the answer from one guy to the removal of the extra pane, not the whole community.

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RE[2]: Not so fluffy at all
by cdude on Wed 22nd Aug 2012 06:52 in reply to "RE: Not so fluffy at all"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Problem description from the GNOME foundation, no solution yet:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-June/msg0001...

Failed try to establish rules for the problem from the GNOME father that made GNOME happen together with Miguel:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-April/msg001...

Consequences:
http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2012/07/27/staring-into-the-abys

The situation is far beyond a one guy problem, all the links above are from before his blog and there are many more voices from core developers, and there is still no solution on the horizont.

Edited 2012-08-22 06:57 UTC

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RE[2]: Not so fluffy at all
by _txf_ on Wed 22nd Aug 2012 09:29 in reply to "RE: Not so fluffy at all"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

That is the answer from one guy to the removal of the extra pane, not the whole community.


AFAICT the answer from the community is that they want the extra pane.

If the developers stated grievances (ignoring requests for comments, non-communication). Then pattern of behaviour leads to what others call "the abyss".

If somebody contributes a feature but requests comments on how to change,fix or improve said feature to fix the problems stated as the reasons for removal, then that isn't going to inspire others to "waste" time developing for gnome.

There are numerous other examples where people provide reasoned (and correct) examples why the alteration/removal of a feature is a bad idea, they simply get ignored or shouted down as being unproductive.

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