Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 22nd Aug 2012 07:50 UTC
Legal "After weeks of witnesses, prototypes, and one last failed settlement talk, it came down to this: Apple and Samsung's closing arguments in what is very likely the tech trial of the century. The day saw both sides landing heavy blows before sending the case off to the jury - where anything can happen." The jury has to contend with 109 (!) pages of instructions and a verdict form consisting of whopping 22 pages with over 700 (!) verdicts to make - and they have to be unanimous. This is beyond ridiculous, bordering on the clinically insane. With several options for appeal still open, there is nothing to be gained from this. It's a circus.
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Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Wed 22nd Aug 2012 09:25 UTC
MOS6510
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2011-05-12

One has to wonder how long a jury member can stay interested, focused and concentrated after all these pages and questions. I can imagine after a while they get fed up and just try to get it over with.

I know I would.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by Yehppael on Wed 22nd Aug 2012 10:39 in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
Yehppael Member since:
2012-08-01

Considering the amount of data they have to go over, it makes me wonder if this is the kind of thing that should be settled by a few randomly chosen people with little or no qualification for the trial in question.

I wonder if they get some kind of diploma after this. Honestly, they should, you don't read and debate over 700 points in 109/32 pages on that subject without getting some very solid understanding about it.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by ichi on Wed 22nd Aug 2012 10:56 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

you don't read and debate over 700 points in 109/32 pages on that subject without getting some very solid understanding about it.


Challenge accepted.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Wed 22nd Aug 2012 11:15 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I'm no legal person, but my feeling says if you do a trail by jury you want to know what the ordinary person thinks about it without any knowledge about law and little letters.

All these pages, questions and having to talk it over with 8 other people is more suited for professionals.

The jury verdict is in a way directed/dictated by these forms. They can't say what they like, they must try to approach their opinion within the boundaries set in the papers.

The judge and lawyers are professionals, the witnesses experts in their fields and who makes the decision? Some locally rounded up citizens, selected on the basis that they didn't know about what was going on between Apple and Samsung making them the ignorant kind of types!

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by Tony Swash on Wed 22nd Aug 2012 13:03 in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

One has to wonder how long a jury member can stay interested, focused and concentrated after all these pages and questions. I can imagine after a while they get fed up and just try to get it over with.

I know I would.


If you think this is bad have pity for the poor people on this jury.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/mar/23/transport.constitution

They had to listen to tedious evidence about a possible fraud for two years and then the case collapsed.

I was once on two back to back juries at the Old Bailey in London, both thankfully short but both involving unpleasant sexual crimes. It was very stressful. Anybody on any jury has my sympathy and respect. It's a great system but hard work for the average citizens who have to make the final fateful decisions.

What was interesting about both the juries I was on was just how seriously everybody took their responsibility. We split in one of the trials and couldn't agree a verdict and had to be kept secluded and incommunicado in a hotel overnight before we could finally reach a verdict. Hard work.

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