Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Aug 2012 12:48 UTC
In the News "We all know about the gadgets that get showered with constant praise - the icons, the segment leaders, and the game changers. Tech history will never forget the Altair 8800, the Walkman, the BlackBerry, and the iPhone. But people do forget - and quickly - about the devices that failed to change the world: the great ideas doomed by mediocre execution, the gadgets that arrived before the market was really ready, or the technologies that found their stride just as the world was pivoting to something else." I was a heavy user of BeOS, Zip drives, and MiniDisc (I was an MD user up until about 2 years ago). I'm starting to see a pattern here.
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RE[2]: OS/2
by zima on Thu 23rd Aug 2012 17:15 UTC in reply to "RE: OS/2"
zima
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2005-07-06

"Warp" alone also had... issues: http://www.insearchofstupidity.com/ch6.htm

Anyway, the talk about OS/2 usually misses probably the most important reason why it failed: deep down, its goal was to return to IBM the control over the PC - duh, of course numerous OEMs didn't go along, Gang of Nine style, and effectively blocked it from the market with less expensive "good enough" Win 3.x machines (and afterwards it was just too late, IIRC OS/2 Warp was essentially given away in some places, as a time-limited demo which could be easily - even accidentally - unlocked; didn't amount much)

Edited 2012-08-23 17:23 UTC

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RE[3]: OS/2
by moondevil on Thu 23rd Aug 2012 20:38 in reply to "RE[2]: OS/2"
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2005-07-08

The first PC my parents bought was a 386SX with 2MB RAM and 40MB hard-disk with DR-DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1.

For the same price I could get a 286 with OS/2 1.1 with similar RAM and disk size.

I think I don't need to explain why we got the 386.

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RE[3]: OS/2
by bassbeast on Sat 25th Aug 2012 12:30 in reply to "RE[2]: OS/2"
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2007-11-11

Actually it wasn't the ads that killed OS/2 (In fact the article you linked to is incorrect, Paramount didn't have a fit until AFTER the unveiling, Stewart couldn't show because he was filming a Next gen movie so they got Mulgrew because Voyager was still on) it was the totally retarded chip decision that gave it no chance in hell.

You see IBM had the right to make their own 286, as well as to source from AMD as a second source, thanks to their contract with Intel. But Intel was trying to stop allowing second sourcing and thus refused to sell IBM the rights to second source the 386. Now for those that don't remember the 386 and 486 were pretty big steps up from the 286, but IBM kept trying to push 286 machines (at the same price the others were selling 386 and later 486) because it meant more profit for them.

Naturally Compaq and the rest of the gang of nine were happy to take that business and after IBM tried to stick it to them with MCA there was no way they were taking an IBM OS, so bye bye OS/2, where the only machines that came with it were underpowered AND overpriced.

Now as for TFA I don't know if these would count or not but I always though Compact Flash and Capture cards would end up a lot bigger than they did. I mean while everyone else was still struggling for space i was carrying a whopping 64Mb! on a CF with a USB 1.0 adapter, that was a ton of space! And you could use it as an IDE drive with a simple adapter! Now you only see CF in a few tiny niches, replaced by itty bitty thumbsticks.

And in 97-07 I thought cap cards were just the coolest thing, turn your PC into a DVR! You can time shift, backup your favorite shows, it was cool! Sadly the software blew chunks and by the time units with truly decent software and drivers came out everyone had moved to just watching on the net. I've still got a brand new cap card still in the box I bought when my cable switched to digital...only to never bother since I can just watch everything on the net now...doh.

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RE[4]: OS/2
by zima on Sat 25th Aug 2012 20:49 in reply to "RE[3]: OS/2"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Hm, but I didn't claim that ads were what killed OS/2. Conversely, I said that it was ultimately about IBM being IBM ("good old IBM" and all, used to how they were always doing things on ~mainframes) versus Gang of Nine dynamics - things on which you, yeah, elaborate a bit more ;)

I think CF lives on in more ~pro usages... But what makes it still suitable there, is also why it was surpassed by SD in consumer gear? (and generally, being a bit too large physically, NVM costly)
USB - more ubiquitous, the pendrives more handy.


TV card was great for a poor student living in a dorm* ...but, other than that, PC just didn't fit too well with how people watch TV (the typically horrible software didn't help; or how a group would block PC usage by one person, also while TVs are often kinda "in the background" on) - and they didn't even really move to watching on the net (Netflix and such have limited reach; and YT is a bit distinct from the TV - just glance over the top clips there). Hell, meanwhile people were moving to more "very TV" & expensive setups, with the explosive growth of pay TV.

*and quite useful, in a way, when some major turmoil unfolded in the country of my room mate, and he was able to follow the situation via CNN coverage.
Though I'm still not quite sure how I was able to receive CNN over-the-air... my best guess: since the Flakturm-like dorm is adjacent to a neighbourhood of old (antique-protected?) large villas, it's plausible that one belongs to some diplomatic mission which set up a small-scale repeater, for the reception throughout the property - quite easily picked up also by the nearby large antenna on dorm roof (I certainly wasn't able to detect any CNN broadcast while moving to another place just ~1 km away)

But even though I had, supposedly, a TV card among the best-supported ones (bt848/878 series, compatible with dscaler or K!TV), there were some lingering issues... (most notably with sound under dscaler)
Still, I must hook it up again one day, to digitise some old VHS tapes... (luckily, in this case the highest-quality dscaler won't be a problem, since audio from the VCR can be handled by the soundcard line-in; OTOH, some of the older tapes are probably in SECAM, which my TV card likely doesn't support, arghh)

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