Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Aug 2012 23:54 UTC
Legal And just like that, within a matter of days, the jury has reached a verdict in Apple vs. Samsung. The basic gist is simple: Apple's software patents are valid, and many Samsung devices infringe upon them. Apple's iPhone 3G trade dress is valid, and Samsung's Galaxy S line infringes, but other devices did not. Samsung did not infringe Apple's iPad design patent. Apple did not infringe any of Samsung's patents. Apple is awarded a little over $1 billion in damages. Competition lost today, and developers in the United States should really start to get worried - software patents got validated big time today.
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Oh the rage on here...
by leos on Sat 25th Aug 2012 00:58 UTC
leos
Member since:
2005-09-21

Software patents are bad, but Samsung had it coming.

Notice how Google isn't being sued? There is nothing wrong with Android itself and it is competing just fine.

Samsung got smacked with this because they did so much shameless copying. Maybe you don't agree, but a jury just did. By the way, take a look at Samsung's new style store and tell me with a straight face it's not a blatant rip-off of the apple store. It's pretty lame when a huge company like Samsung can't even define their own style. http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-opens-apple-like-store-sydn...

Edited 2012-08-25 00:59 UTC

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RE: Oh the rage on here...
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 25th Aug 2012 01:06 in reply to "Oh the rage on here..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You must not go shopping often.

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RE[2]: Oh the rage on here...
by leos on Sat 25th Aug 2012 03:38 in reply to "RE: Oh the rage on here..."
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Yeah because there are so many stores that look exactly like that. Please, your bias is really showing.

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RE: Oh the rage on here...
by ssokolow on Sat 25th Aug 2012 01:09 in reply to "Oh the rage on here..."
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

Software patents are bad, but Samsung had it coming.

Notice how Google isn't being sued? There is nothing wrong with Android itself and it is competing just fine.

Samsung got smacked with this because they did so much shameless copying. Maybe you don't agree, but a jury just did.


Are you new here or just trolling? ...because, if you were a regular, you'd already know that Google isn't being sued because Microsoft found it easier to buly Android hardware-makers into paying license fees and the Samsung v. Apple Jury was carefully chosen to make sure they know nothing about the technology they're judging.

I don't know about you, but I certainly wouldn't trust a medical decision if the doctor was chosen for being the most ignorant one available.

Edited 2012-08-25 01:10 UTC

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RE[2]: Oh the rage on here...
by JAlexoid on Sat 25th Aug 2012 02:40 in reply to "RE: Oh the rage on here..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Blame Samsung for screwing up patent invalidity case.

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RE: Oh the rage on here...
by ze_jerkface on Sat 25th Aug 2012 01:10 in reply to "Oh the rage on here..."
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Apple stores are a rip-off of Sony stores.

But like most Apple fans you probably think the tech world started in 2006.

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RE[2]: Oh the rage on here...
by ze_jerkface on Sat 25th Aug 2012 03:30 in reply to "RE: Oh the rage on here..."
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Silly Jerkface, Apple invented brightly lit stores with laptops on display. Before Apple people bought laptops in dimly lit alleys. Sony's Tokyo stores never existed and Tokyo probably isn't real either. Stop making stuff up.

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RE: Oh the rage on here...
by Morgan on Sat 25th Aug 2012 01:23 in reply to "Oh the rage on here..."
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm not defending Apple here; I certainly had hoped the trial would go the other way. But I have to admit I've seen a trend in the Korean market towards copying Western design. Take Kia and Hyundai cars, for example. Every time Honda makes a change to the Accord's headlights and tail lights, the following year's Hyundai sedans take on a similar look. There is a Kia car that is a cartoonish mashup of Jaguar and Mercedes sedans as well. In fact, I'd say the only Kia/Hyundai vehicle that isn't a blatant copy of a Western design is their minivan.

That's not to say that I think Samsung copied the various iDevices with all of their products. In fact, I'd say that there are several HTC phones that would be easier to confuse for an iPhone. The fact is, it's difficult to get away from the rectangular, black-bordered touch screen design when it comes to something you're going to stick up to your ear and talk into. Until Google improves the Project Glass hardware to the point that a phone is integrated into the frame, we're going to be stuck with slabs of plastic, glass and metal for a while yet.

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RE[2]: Oh the rage on here...
by orfanum on Sat 25th Aug 2012 01:40 in reply to "RE: Oh the rage on here..."
orfanum Member since:
2006-06-02

Paper. Moveable metal typeface. Gunpowder. Porcelain. Pasta.

The West has spent hundreds of years since the Early Modern Period ransacking the world for substance as well as style.

Time to give back a little, cut a little slack? ;)

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RE[2]: Oh the rage on here...
by unclefester on Sat 25th Aug 2012 04:02 in reply to "RE: Oh the rage on here..."
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

There is only ONE optimal solution to any real world engineering problem. There is only ONE practical design for any sub-type of car (small hatchback, large sedan, SUV etc). That is why all the vehicles in any segment look similar.

Kia cars are designed in the USA. They are not copies of anything western.

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RE: Oh the rage on here...
by JAlexoid on Sat 25th Aug 2012 02:21 in reply to "Oh the rage on here..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

While I say - Screw Samsung for copying iOS in their horrible TouchWiz.

The jury just validated two really, really, broad claims that Nexus S(vanilla Android) infringes. But based on the speed of their deliberations, I doubt that they even bothered checking the patents.

'381 Claim 19:


19. A device, comprising:

a touch screen display;
one or more processors;
memory; and
one or more programs, wherein the one or more programs are stored in the memory and configured to be executed by the one or more processors, the programs including:
instructions for displaying a first portion of an electronic document;
instructions for detecting a movement of an object on or near the touch screen display;
instructions for translating the electronic document displayed on the touch screen display in a first direction to display a second portion of the electronic document, wherein the second portion is different from the first portion, in response to detecting the movement;
instructions for displaying an area beyond an edge of the electronic document and displaying a third portion of the electronic document, wherein the third portion is smaller than the first portion, in response to the edge of the electronic document being reached while translating the electronic document in the first direction while the object is still detected on or near the touch screen display; and
instructions for translating the electronic document in a second direction until the area beyond the edge of the electronic document is no longer displayed to display a fourth portion of the electronic document, wherein the fourth portion is different from the first portion, in response to detecting that the object is no longer on or near the touch screen display.

Which is document bounceback/end of document, that vanilla Android on Nexus S does not IMPLEMENT!!!

'915 Claim 8
8. A machine readable storage medium storing executable program instructions which when executed cause a data processing system to perform a method comprising:

receiving a user input, the user input is one or more input points applied to a touch-sensitive display that is integrated with the data processing system;
creating an event object in response to the user input;
determining whether the event object invokes a scroll or gesture operation by distinguishing between a single input point applied to the touch-sensitive display that is interpreted as the scroll operation and two or more input points applied to the touch-sensitive display that are interpreted as the gesture operation;
issuing at least one scroll or gesture call based on invoking the scroll or gesture operation;
responding to at least one scroll call, if issued, by scrolling a window having a view associated with the event object; and
responding to at least one gesture call, if issued, by scaling the view associated with the event object based on receiving the two or more input points in the form of the user input.

A patent to allow scrolling with one finger and "magically" detect(not disclosed how, thus any implementation infringes) that it's more then one finger to identify gestures.

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RE: Oh the rage on here...
by unclefester on Sat 25th Aug 2012 03:54 in reply to "Oh the rage on here..."
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

The Apple stores are based on Bauhaus principles dating from the 1920s. Bauhaus is in turn heavily based on much earlier styles.

If you bothered to learn any design or architectural history you would realise that ALL of Apples products are highly derivative or even blatant copies of existing designs.

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RE[2]: Oh the rage on here...
by graig on Sat 25th Aug 2012 05:12 in reply to "RE: Oh the rage on here..."
graig Member since:
2010-09-18

The Apple stores are based on Bauhaus principles dating from the 1920s. Bauhaus is in turn heavily based on much earlier styles.

If you bothered to learn any design or architectural history you would realize that ALL of Apples products are highly derivative or even blatant copies of existing designs.



Nonetheless they could make their phones look modern without copying apple directly. Apple design comes from the history books, and from their designers own sensibilities, and from research and development.. samsung's designs appear to have come from apple. And that's why they lost this big time.

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RE[2]: Oh the rage on here...
by leos on Mon 27th Aug 2012 05:47 in reply to "RE: Oh the rage on here..."
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

The Apple stores are based on Bauhaus principles dating from the 1920s. Bauhaus is in turn heavily based on much earlier styles.

If you bothered to learn any design or architectural history you would realise that ALL of Apples products are highly derivative or even blatant copies of existing designs.


Clearly you don't have eyes. Hard to judge these things when you're blind.

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RE: Oh the rage on here...
by Dr.Mabuse on Mon 27th Aug 2012 02:05 in reply to "Oh the rage on here..."
Dr.Mabuse Member since:
2009-05-19

Looks more like a Telstra store.

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