Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Aug 2012 06:15 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft's response to Apple's win is probably the most cringeworthy of all. Blatantly admitting Windows Phone can't make a dent in the market on merit, but instead requires the court room to do so, Bill Cox, senior director of Windows Phone marketing communications, said: "Windows Phone is looking gooooood right now." Nauseating.
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Windows Phone
by trezzer on Sat 25th Aug 2012 08:06 UTC
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It is only fair that Microsoft should get its day in the sun. Unlike Google they went back to the drawing board and made something new. Good for Microsoft.

I still hope they don't become dominant, though. They become complacent when they are dominant (see Windows, Office, Xbox).

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RE: Windows Phone
by kompak on Sat 25th Aug 2012 18:11 in reply to "Windows Phone"
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2011-06-14

Xbox? Dominant? What planet do you live on?

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RE[2]: Windows Phone
by lucas_maximus on Sun 26th Aug 2012 17:21 in reply to "RE: Windows Phone"
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2009-08-18

Earth, Nintendo are going down the crapper and it is now Sony and Microsoft.

Sorry Xbox has done really well in 2 generations against the most dominant force in computing console gaming, Sony.

The PS1 and PS2 had a lot of fans that were converted to Xbox.

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RE: Windows Phone
by cdude on Sat 25th Aug 2012 18:43 in reply to "Windows Phone"
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2008-09-21

Android 4.1 JB is pretty new and that Android outsells iPhone by more then factor two shows that they are not a clone but just better. It looks like Apple has to copy some things from Android to not lose even more market share.

Edited 2012-08-25 18:50 UTC

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RE[2]: Windows Phone
by zima on Sat 1st Sep 2012 23:49 in reply to "RE: Windows Phone"
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2005-07-06

that Android outsells iPhone by more then factor two shows that they are not a clone but just better

Ahh, so you also must think that Windows is much, much better than Linux on the desktop... (after all, even the "horrible" Vista has an order of magnitude more users than all desktop Linux combined)

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RE: Windows Phone
by tanzam75 on Sat 25th Aug 2012 23:49 in reply to "Windows Phone"
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2011-05-19

The verdict is good for Microsoft in the short-run. But in the long-run, Microsoft may well regret cheering on Apple's victory.

In the short-run, OEMs have just been given another reason to consider Windows Phone. (Except for Motorola.)

But Windows Phone is only sitting pretty because of the patent cross-licensing agreement with Apple. That agreement was signed back when Apple was a small fraction of its current size. Does Microsoft really expect Apple to renew the agreement on the same terms, once it expires?

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were known to have had a personal rapport that made up for a lot of bad blood between their companies. Bill Gates is still around, but Steve Jobs isn't.

The next licensing agreement with Apple will be substantially less favorable to Microsoft.

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RE[2]: Windows Phone
by bassbeast on Mon 27th Aug 2012 16:18 in reply to "RE: Windows Phone"
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The next licensing agreement with Apple will be just as nice as the current one, and here is why:

1.- Apple has no intentions of ending up with a monopoly ruling like the one that hamstringed MSFT through the 00s, they saw how much of a watchful eye was directed at MSFT and have no desire to end up in the same boat.

2.- They know MSFT sucks royally at competing on the high margin sales, which has always been Apple's bread and butter.

What I'm sure Apple is figuring is the $399 - $699 market ruled by Apple mobile and the $99 - $299 market owned by MSFT, no different than how their biggest X86 systems as far as sales go are the $1300+ units while MSFT rules the $299 Dell specials. Apple has never desired to compete in the low margins mass produced market and with their cross licensing agreement they can let their old pals in Redmond have the cheapie market while they take the juicy sales.

Finally don't forget that both Apple and MSFT have a common enemy in Google, both Apple and MSFT sell products while Google gives their products away and sells eyeballs. That is exactly the kind of competition they don't want so I frankly would be VERY surprised if Cook didn't shake old Bill's hand and keep things just as they are. After all Apple is making money hand over fist, and if it ain't broke, why fix it?

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RE: Windows Phone
by Deviate_X on Mon 27th Aug 2012 08:20 in reply to "Windows Phone"
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2005-07-11

It is only fair that Microsoft should get its day in the sun. Unlike Google they went back to the drawing board and made something new. Good for Microsoft.

I still hope they don't become dominant, though. They become complacent when they are dominant (see Windows, Office, Xbox).


Microsoft is a long long way from being dominant, but i do hope we get some decent hardware as a result of OEMs seeing the need to work harder on wp7/8 and w8

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RE: Windows Phone
by zima on Wed 29th Aug 2012 01:06 in reply to "Windows Phone"
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2005-07-06

It is only fair that Microsoft should get its day in the sun. Unlike Google they went back to the drawing board and made something new. Good for Microsoft.
I still hope they don't become dominant, though. They become complacent when they are dominant (see Windows, Office, Xbox).

What are you talking about?

With Windows, they are dominant since 3.1 ...and in the two decades since, it greatly improved, is now even better choice that it was back then (oh, because it won due to being simply the best out of all not-great choices: http://www.osnews.com/thread?522221 ).

Xbox? What, you mean you didn't even notice Kinect? (and generally seemingly the most lively, most vigorous platform)

Office - the nice improvement of Ribbon, even thought they didn't have to, even though some people grumbled against innovation.

About the only major example of complacency is IE6 (not the earlier versions, pre-IE6 it improved rapidly, became better than Netscape) - but also largely due to corps who didn't bother to upgrade.

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