Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Aug 2012 19:40 UTC
In the News "Neil Armstrong, the first man to walk on the moon, died Saturday, weeks after heart surgery and days after his 82nd birthday on Aug. 5. Armstrong commanded the Apollo 11 spacecraft that landed on the moon on July 20, 1969, and he radioed back to Earth the historic news of 'one giant leap for mankind'. He spent nearly three hours walking on the moon with fellow astronaut Edwin 'Buzz' Aldrin." Our thoughts are with his family and friends. Such a great man. The world lost a true legendary hero today. This man will be an inspiration for generations to come.
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RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Sun 26th Aug 2012 14:38 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510
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2011-05-12

Apple has money, the US has an enormous debt and Neil Armstrong didn't go bombing Koreans because he figured it was a quick and safe way to earn a buck.

Money doesn't exist. To make trade easier we made stuff we called money and agreed it has a certain worth, just like we agreed how chess pieces move.

In nature and the universe there is no money. No anthill or beehive ever went bust. No birds ever stopped migrating, because they couldn't effort the trip. No lost tourist was ever able to bribe a lion with money. No dolphin ever stopped having a fun time, because he was too busy finding a job to pay his bills. No alpha ape ever went around collecting taxes. No alien species would ever accept our money in exchange for their technology, because money is worthless unless you and others agree it has a value.

Earth and the universe did fine for billions of years without any money.

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by Alfman on Sun 26th Aug 2012 15:04 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2011-01-28

I'm going to smack the next person who mentions "Apple" in this article.

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RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Sun 26th Aug 2012 15:05 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2011-05-12

As long as you don't smack an alien. We don't want an article about Neil Armstrong to be the cause of an intergalactic war.

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by danbuter on Sun 26th Aug 2012 23:01 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2011-03-17

Reminds me of Death in Pratchett's "Hogfather". Grind down the entire universe and you won't find a single molecule of mercy or justice.

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by joekiser on Sun 26th Aug 2012 23:59 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2005-06-30

In nature and the universe there is no money. No anthill or beehive ever went bust. No birds ever stopped migrating, because they couldn't effort the trip. No lost tourist was ever able to bribe a lion with money. No dolphin ever stopped having a fun time, because he was too busy finding a job to pay his bills. No alpha ape ever went around collecting taxes. No alien species would ever accept our money in exchange for their technology, because money is worthless unless you and others agree it has a value.


If alien visitors ever visit Earth, they might not care about money, but they will be far more interested in the species that has sent men to the moon, vehicle-sized craft to Mars, and probes beyond the solar system than they would be in animals that live day-to-day trying not to get eaten.

Edited 2012-08-27 00:00 UTC

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RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510
by winter skies on Mon 27th Aug 2012 11:13 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2009-08-21

If alien visitors ever visit Earth, they might not care about money, but they will be far more interested in the species that has sent men to the moon, vehicle-sized craft to Mars, and probes beyond the solar system than they would be in animals that live day-to-day trying not to get eaten.


Of course. But probably that would be true just because there's some other even more intelligent alien species who has never bothered to build a spaceship to discover our Earth and instead refined the art of spending a blissful existence playing in the seas, skies or on the surface of their unpolluted planet. ;)
It might sound pessimistic, but I'm still convinced that happiness and knowledge are two separate paths and you can not pursue one unless you abandon the other. Obviously there's infinitely more complexity to this matter than that, but it's a realistic rule of thumb.

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by kwan_e on Mon 27th Aug 2012 02:07 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2007-02-18

In nature and the universe there is no money.


There still are costs. In fact, lots of animals pay with sex or food or building materials.

No anthill or beehive ever went bust.


Anthills and beehives go bust all the time. Of course, it now turns out that Colony Collapse Disorder is caused by Bayer's insecticide, but entymologists would tell you that a great number of beehives die out every year normally.

No birds ever stopped migrating, because they couldn't effort the trip.


Except that's precisely how flightless birds came about.

No lost tourist was ever able to bribe a lion with money.


If the lost tourist had the right amount of money in the right currency then they would be able to bribe the lion.

No dolphin ever stopped having a fun time, because he was too busy finding a job to pay his bills.


Actually, the only dolphins that have a "fun time" are those you see at those water parks (whatever name it is). How do you know they are having "fun"? They're having "fun" to get the continued supply of fish. Out in the wild, it's a constant battle against starvation and murder.

No alpha ape ever went around collecting taxes.


Humans are apes.

No alien species would ever accept our money in exchange for their technology, because money is worthless unless you and others agree it has a value.


Which goes back to the question about the currency in use.

Earth and the universe did fine for billions of years without any money.


And yet, money emerged. The earth and the universe obviously had a need for money.

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RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510
by Doc Pain on Mon 27th Aug 2012 03:16 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2006-10-08

"Earth and the universe did fine for billions of years without any money.


And yet, money emerged. The earth and the universe obviously had a need for money.
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No. Just several people had a need for money. One may speculate that some amount of them could be categorized as parasites, as today there's a significant share of people benefiting from the existence of money without creating any value or contributing to mankind, draining energy from the whole system.

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