Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 26th Aug 2012 10:28 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless In light of the jury verdict in Apple vs. Samsung, the one-liners and jokes flew back and forth. One in particular, by Dan Frakes, has been copied and pasted all over the web, and it goes like this: "When the iPhone debuted, it was widely criticized for having no buttons/keys. Now people think the iPhone's design is 'obvious'." This is a very common trend in this entire debate that saddens me to no end: the iPhone is being compared to simple feature phones, while in fact, it should be compared to its true predecessor: the PDA. PDAs have always done with few buttons.
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RE: How easy it is to forget...
by gsyoungblood on Sun 26th Aug 2012 17:47 UTC in reply to "How easy it is to forget..."
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However having a published good idea in the lab that never makes it to the masses is still prior art.

I'm someone else that has had PDAs since the 90s My favorite was probably the Sony Clie that I think debuted in 2002. I had been planning on buying myself one when they came out, instead the weekend of their release my wife got it. I got stuck with the Palm III.

Still, with the display twisted out you had almost nothing but screen, and I don't recall any buttons to speak of. Found a good pic:
http://www.pspilot.de/pppnx70/nx70_03h.jpg

So even among PDAs, an almost "buttonless" design was "obvious" and was the direction things were going.

This is 2002!

My first "smart phone" was the Samsung SGH i700 http://www.cellaz.com/photos/285_m.jpg

The Windows OS and browser were woefully lacking, I returned it due to the problems. Not the hardware, the OS.

However the i730 was a different story. The OS and browser worked well. I really enjoyed it. I miss the slide up to reveal a keyboard form factor (without having to rotate to landscape mode).
http://asset0.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/sc/31313312-2-300-0.gif

Even without the iPhone it is entirely plausible that 3 to 5 buttons on the front were the direction things were going. Even "soft buttons" that don't seem really like buttons.

I think Samsung did copy elements from Apple. Just like Apple has copied elements from others. I own and have owned several Apple and Samsung products. I have both iPad and Galaxy Tab (7) tablets, and use the iPad the most. My primary systems are Mac. My primary phones tend to be Android or WP7.

With that said, I'll say Samsung probably should end up on the losing end of some of the complaints brought against them by Apple. However, I don't think this trial fairly arrives at what that should be. There are too many things in this trial that I think weren't handled fairly or equitably, not the least of which is the jury getting through as quickly as they did. I think there were too many times Samsung wasn't allowed to bring in suitable prior art. That alone means the jury was not provided the information necessary to come up with a just/fair ruling. They ruled there was no prior art for some things because Samsung was not allowed to bring in the full prior art they found.*

* If Samsung failed to find it in time then that's an honest error and they should have been allowed to correct it; if they were going for a Perry Mason moment, then that wouldn't have been fair to Apple. I don't know what happened, but surely there was another way to resolve this than outright excluding it. Sanction the attorney, but don't punish the client (Samsung).

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