Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Aug 2012 19:40 UTC
In the News "Neil Armstrong, the first man to walk on the moon, died Saturday, weeks after heart surgery and days after his 82nd birthday on Aug. 5. Armstrong commanded the Apollo 11 spacecraft that landed on the moon on July 20, 1969, and he radioed back to Earth the historic news of 'one giant leap for mankind'. He spent nearly three hours walking on the moon with fellow astronaut Edwin 'Buzz' Aldrin." Our thoughts are with his family and friends. Such a great man. The world lost a true legendary hero today. This man will be an inspiration for generations to come.
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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by kwan_e on Mon 27th Aug 2012 02:07 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
kwan_e
Member since:
2007-02-18

In nature and the universe there is no money.


There still are costs. In fact, lots of animals pay with sex or food or building materials.

No anthill or beehive ever went bust.


Anthills and beehives go bust all the time. Of course, it now turns out that Colony Collapse Disorder is caused by Bayer's insecticide, but entymologists would tell you that a great number of beehives die out every year normally.

No birds ever stopped migrating, because they couldn't effort the trip.


Except that's precisely how flightless birds came about.

No lost tourist was ever able to bribe a lion with money.


If the lost tourist had the right amount of money in the right currency then they would be able to bribe the lion.

No dolphin ever stopped having a fun time, because he was too busy finding a job to pay his bills.


Actually, the only dolphins that have a "fun time" are those you see at those water parks (whatever name it is). How do you know they are having "fun"? They're having "fun" to get the continued supply of fish. Out in the wild, it's a constant battle against starvation and murder.

No alpha ape ever went around collecting taxes.


Humans are apes.

No alien species would ever accept our money in exchange for their technology, because money is worthless unless you and others agree it has a value.


Which goes back to the question about the currency in use.

Earth and the universe did fine for billions of years without any money.


And yet, money emerged. The earth and the universe obviously had a need for money.

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RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510
by Doc Pain on Mon 27th Aug 2012 03:16 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2006-10-08

"Earth and the universe did fine for billions of years without any money.


And yet, money emerged. The earth and the universe obviously had a need for money.
"

No. Just several people had a need for money. One may speculate that some amount of them could be categorized as parasites, as today there's a significant share of people benefiting from the existence of money without creating any value or contributing to mankind, draining energy from the whole system.

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RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510
by kwan_e on Mon 27th Aug 2012 03:47 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

"[q]Earth and the universe did fine for billions of years without any money.


And yet, money emerged. The earth and the universe obviously had a need for money.
"

No. Just several people had a need for money. [/q]

Are people not part of the Earth and the universe?

* Hint: just because the universe has no need for money doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. The universe has no need for life either. You can't argue about the need for properties which are emergent.

** This is not to say that money is perfect. I would say money needs to be subject to conservation laws like the rest of physical and biological laws. None of this "Company A is really worth $600 billion because the total of its shares at the current share price is worth $600 billion" nonsense.

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