Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 26th Aug 2012 10:28 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless In light of the jury verdict in Apple vs. Samsung, the one-liners and jokes flew back and forth. One in particular, by Dan Frakes, has been copied and pasted all over the web, and it goes like this: "When the iPhone debuted, it was widely criticized for having no buttons/keys. Now people think the iPhone's design is 'obvious'." This is a very common trend in this entire debate that saddens me to no end: the iPhone is being compared to simple feature phones, while in fact, it should be compared to its true predecessor: the PDA. PDAs have always done with few buttons.
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RE[3]: Revisionist History
by TM99 on Mon 27th Aug 2012 06:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Revisionist History"
TM99
Member since:
2012-08-26

Another interesting tidbit...

Ironically (since this thread was talking about the Zoomer and Palm) - tying back to our current court case you can get the following reverse chronology:

Thom points out that most modern Smartphones are decedents of the Palm Pilot (1996), created by Jeff Hawkins

... who originally wrote the software for what most consider to be the first touchscreen PDA, the Zoomer (1992)

... who previously worked for GRID Systems and designed the GRIDPad, what is widely considered to be the fist touchscreen Tablet (1989)

... which was actually manufactured by, take a guess

... Samsung

And the we all go spinning down the rabbit hole ;)


Yes! Thank you. I was going to post the same evolutionary history.

You are absolutely spot on with this, and isn't it ironic?

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RE[4]: Revisionist History
by galvanash on Mon 27th Aug 2012 07:04 in reply to "RE[3]: Revisionist History"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Me and you are about the same age (from what you said in your previous post). Well, you have me by about 5 years or so. My first computer was a TI99/4A.

Nice to have another old guy around ;)

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RE[5]: Revisionist History
by TM99 on Mon 27th Aug 2012 10:31 in reply to "RE[4]: Revisionist History"
TM99 Member since:
2012-08-26

Me and you are about the same age (from what you said in your previous post). Well, you have me by about 5 years or so. My first computer was a TI99/4A.


Yes, we are definitely right around the same age give or take a few years. One of my best friends had a TI99/4A. It was a wonderful little machine. My first was the early model Apple II. I upgraded to a IIe and that machine was upgraded for many years with various motherboard and case swaps, expansion cards including a Mockingbird and a Z80 card, and eventually an external modem. I still have that old machine and fire it up from time to time.

Nice to have another old guy around ;)


Thanks, it is good to be here. ;)

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RE[4]: Revisionist History
by jared_wilkes on Mon 27th Aug 2012 15:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Revisionist History"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

Can any of you Zoomer-believers actually verify 1992? I've seen it around but I imagine it's just some folks aping the 8-Bit Micro site's info. There are just as many other sources that say that it debuted at CES 1993. I can even find articles that state that it was shown off after the Newton MessagePad but was actually released first. I know for certain Sculley showed off the Newton for the first time in the summer of 1992. I cannot find any credible evidence that the Zoomer was shown or available in '92 other than a couple of sites stating it as so.

My own memory, and the early state of Palm, makes me believe they did not turn out an OS within a few months of being incorporated.

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RE[5]: Revisionist History
by jared_wilkes on Mon 27th Aug 2012 16:00 in reply to "RE[4]: Revisionist History"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

Ha! I even forgot the Zoomer ran GeoSystems OS. The OS wasn't even built by Palm!

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RE[5]: Revisionist History
by TM99 on Mon 27th Aug 2012 16:08 in reply to "RE[4]: Revisionist History"
TM99 Member since:
2012-08-26

The Wikipedia article on Jeff Hawkins clearly states that Palm was founded in 1992 and released the Zoomer. The Newton came out around the same time in late 1993.

I think you are missing the point that Hawkins invented Graffiti which was used by both devices. Hawkins was instrumental in developing pen computing and tablet computing with GRiD several years before the development of the Newton. At best they were contemporaries sharing newly designed technologies. Nowadays, Apple 'fans' tend to downplay other innovators and inventors and rewrite history so that it is always Apple that did it first when that it is simply not true.

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