Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 26th Aug 2012 10:28 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless In light of the jury verdict in Apple vs. Samsung, the one-liners and jokes flew back and forth. One in particular, by Dan Frakes, has been copied and pasted all over the web, and it goes like this: "When the iPhone debuted, it was widely criticized for having no buttons/keys. Now people think the iPhone's design is 'obvious'." This is a very common trend in this entire debate that saddens me to no end: the iPhone is being compared to simple feature phones, while in fact, it should be compared to its true predecessor: the PDA. PDAs have always done with few buttons.
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RE[4]: Revisionist History
by jared_wilkes on Mon 27th Aug 2012 15:28 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Revisionist History"
jared_wilkes
Member since:
2011-04-25

Can any of you Zoomer-believers actually verify 1992? I've seen it around but I imagine it's just some folks aping the 8-Bit Micro site's info. There are just as many other sources that say that it debuted at CES 1993. I can even find articles that state that it was shown off after the Newton MessagePad but was actually released first. I know for certain Sculley showed off the Newton for the first time in the summer of 1992. I cannot find any credible evidence that the Zoomer was shown or available in '92 other than a couple of sites stating it as so.

My own memory, and the early state of Palm, makes me believe they did not turn out an OS within a few months of being incorporated.

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RE[5]: Revisionist History
by jared_wilkes on Mon 27th Aug 2012 16:00 in reply to "RE[4]: Revisionist History"
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2011-04-25

Ha! I even forgot the Zoomer ran GeoSystems OS. The OS wasn't even built by Palm!

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RE[5]: Revisionist History
by TM99 on Mon 27th Aug 2012 16:08 in reply to "RE[4]: Revisionist History"
TM99 Member since:
2012-08-26

The Wikipedia article on Jeff Hawkins clearly states that Palm was founded in 1992 and released the Zoomer. The Newton came out around the same time in late 1993.

I think you are missing the point that Hawkins invented Graffiti which was used by both devices. Hawkins was instrumental in developing pen computing and tablet computing with GRiD several years before the development of the Newton. At best they were contemporaries sharing newly designed technologies. Nowadays, Apple 'fans' tend to downplay other innovators and inventors and rewrite history so that it is always Apple that did it first when that it is simply not true.

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RE[6]: Revisionist History
by socheltree on Mon 27th Aug 2012 16:33 in reply to "RE[5]: Revisionist History"
socheltree Member since:
2012-08-27

Yes, The Wikipedia article on Jeff Hawkins clearly states that Palm was founded in 1992 and released the Zoomer... after the Newton in '93.
Here's another citation quoting Hawkins as saying the Newton came first:
http://www.pencomputing.com/palm/Pen33/hawkins2.html

Graffiti was on neither the Zoomer or the original Newton MessagePad. The Zoomer used an earlier recognition system called PalmPrint which was horrible.

Graffiti was based on Xerox PARC's Unistrokes. Palm got a demonstration of Unistrokes from PARC before they created their Graffiti system. Xerox successfully sued them for violating their patent.

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RE[6]: Revisionist History
by jared_wilkes on Mon 27th Aug 2012 16:34 in reply to "RE[5]: Revisionist History"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

Here's actual coverage of CES '93 saying the Zoomer wasn't out yet:

http://www.caruso.com/work/dm-index/digital-media-june-1993/more-vi...

Here's a book on the history of Palm by Andrea Butler and David Pogue saying that it was slated to launch in '92 but they didn't get prototypes until the spring of '93 and that it was shown for the first time at CES in 1993:

http://books.google.com/books?id=lsFHU305YL0C&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=t...

Edited 2012-08-27 16:36 UTC

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RE[6]: Revisionist History
by jared_wilkes on Mon 27th Aug 2012 16:37 in reply to "RE[5]: Revisionist History"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

And I have a host of fandroids releasing the craptastic Tandy Zoomer a year earlier than it was to alter history too!

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RE[6]: Revisionist History
by jared_wilkes on Mon 27th Aug 2012 16:52 in reply to "RE[5]: Revisionist History"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

No, I'm perfectly fine with the fact that people were working on these areas.

What I'm not fine with is claiming that Apple does not and has never invented or innovated anything, however, a device that required a licensed OS, hardware manufacturing from Tandy and Casio, and marketing and distribution from those two hardware manufacturers, and Donna Dubinsky from Apple doing financing and recruiting (mostly from Apple) to keep the company afloat to produce a product AFTER the Newton that was an even bigger flop is somehow designated groundbreaking and revolutionary.

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