Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 26th Aug 2012 10:28 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless In light of the jury verdict in Apple vs. Samsung, the one-liners and jokes flew back and forth. One in particular, by Dan Frakes, has been copied and pasted all over the web, and it goes like this: "When the iPhone debuted, it was widely criticized for having no buttons/keys. Now people think the iPhone's design is 'obvious'." This is a very common trend in this entire debate that saddens me to no end: the iPhone is being compared to simple feature phones, while in fact, it should be compared to its true predecessor: the PDA. PDAs have always done with few buttons.
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RE[8]: Revisionist History
by TM99 on Tue 28th Aug 2012 03:42 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Revisionist History"
TM99
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2012-08-26

EXACTLY.
Does anyone here remember GEOS? Woof! It was a kind of mockup of the early Mac GUI running on 8-bit processors. You could "run" it on a C-64, I put run in quotes because it was more of a slow crawl.
Anybody here remember the build quality of Tandy or Casio devices? Woof again. Tandy's DOS based computers were so bad they were practically a fork in the OS. Software which ran on them would list them as a separate compatible device, even though it was technically running the same OS.
The Zoomer was not prior art.


Just because you dislike the OS it ran and considered the hardware makers second rate does not mean it was not prior art. It is as simple as that.

Did you actually ever use a Newton 100? Seriously, do you want to convince me it was not slow, buggy, and prone to hardware failures. Do you not remember how difficult it was to sync to your Mac? Do you not remember that it drained AAA batteries faster than a frat boy downing a keg? Do you not remember how horrid CalliGrapher's handwriting recognition software was? It was even mocked on the Simpsons.

But, unlike you, I recognize that it was the first model, and I expected that. Only in this pop culture age where all things must be instantly 'perfected' and a 'blockbuster' do we tend to forget that all 1.x products form hardware to software tend to suck until the bugs are fixed or the products are canceled & hopefully revived years later in another form.

This is the very psychological tendency of historical revisionism that is being addressed in this side-topic. I 'dislike' this so it must not have been so. I 'like' that so it most assuredly must have been so. When you can look back at over 35 years of tech history, the picture is a lot more nuanced and wider than seen only through a partisan haze.

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RE[9]: Revisionist History
by socheltree on Tue 28th Aug 2012 16:10 in reply to "RE[8]: Revisionist History"
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2012-08-27

@TM99
Yes, I used the original MessagePad as an everyday device long enough to know that everything you say about it is true. I never used The Zoomer, but used a number of Palm devices sporadically, spending a couple years with a Palm V.
But I believe the author's point in this article is that Apple followed into the already existing PDA market with the iPhone. Clearly the Zoomer and Newton were developed independently at the same time and Hawkins himself says the Newton came to market before The Zoomer.

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