Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 28th Aug 2012 20:46 UTC
Linux "For years now, Linux has been a black sheep standing in the shadow of Apple and Microsoft. Despite having a fervent and enthusiastic following, the operating system hasn't been able to grab a sizable share of the computing market and has instead been content to subsist on the customers that come away dissatisfied with the mainstream competition. But that may be about to change. With the release of Microsoft Windows 8 on the horizon, some are saying Linux may have a great opportunity to steal a significant share of the market away from Microsoft, allowing it to finally take the helm as a major operating system service provider." This has to stop, and the only reason I'm linking to this nonsense is to make this very clear: Linux will not magically conquer the desktop or even make any significant gains because of Windows 8. People who don't like Windows 8 (Vista) will continue to use Windows 7 (Windows XP). This is getting so tiring. And does it even matter? Linux is winning big time in the mobile space, server space, and countless other spaces. The desktop is and always has been irrelevant to Linux.
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RE[5]: X Sucks
by leech on Wed 29th Aug 2012 00:18 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: X Sucks"
leech
Member since:
2006-01-10

I think this post sums up the fun that people still have with X:
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=205&t=101336

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Btw, you're not really fooling anyone with the"ze_" prefix.


Derp, why would I use such a similar name if I wanted to pretend to be someone else?

I no longer go by .NET jerkface because I no longer feel like giving MS a free endorsement.

I've even linked to my blog in some posts with this account, go look in my history if you don't believe me.
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Yeah, that particular setup the guy is trying to get is so very common. Hell most motherboards won't even support two video cards, let alone 3 of them!

By the way (and I would reply to his post, but apparently I don't have a Linux Mint account, but I'll create one just to respond to this guy, because I know the answer), the issue is with nVidia's driver not working with TwinView and any number of monitors that isn't even. So if he wanted 4 monitors it would work, but not with 3. Ran into this same issue on my work PC (though I have two video cards, and three monitors).

If he used the open source driver, it should work just fine.

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RE[6]: X Sucks
by ze_jerkface on Wed 29th Aug 2012 04:30 in reply to "RE[5]: X Sucks"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Perhaps not the best example but the real problem is that the solution to a seemingly simple problem requires too many steps and command line use for the average user.

Here is a better one:
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=71894

Still too much command line dependence. Sound has the same problem. Linux needs a GUI hardware manager, no one should have to edit xorg.conf.

Linux on the desktop just ain't ready from Grammy. Neither is Windows 8 and I would much rather leave Grammy with an Android tablet if it makes you feel any better.

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RE[7]: X Sucks
by AnyoneEB on Wed 29th Aug 2012 17:58 in reply to "RE[6]: X Sucks"
AnyoneEB Member since:
2008-10-26

Still too much command line dependence. Sound has the same problem. Linux needs a GUI hardware manager, no one should have to edit xorg.conf.

You mean like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DisplayConfigGTK which were added to Ubuntu years ago? (I don't remember which release precisely, but those pages are dated 2008.)

Linux forums deal with text files and CLI solutions because they are easier to communicate. There is a pure GUI way to execute the solution recommended in the thread you linked... but it would have been harder to explain than "paste exactly this text into a terminal/config file". The fact that there is often no easy way to change a setting on the command line in Windows makes it significantly harder to discuss problems and fixes via a forum.

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RE[6]: X Sucks
by zima on Sun 2nd Sep 2012 05:23 in reply to "RE[5]: X Sucks"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=205&t=101336

Yeah, that particular setup the guy is trying to get is so very common. Hell most motherboards won't even support two video cards, let alone 3 of them!

By the way (and I would reply to his post, but apparently I don't have a Linux Mint account, but I'll create one just to respond to this guy, because I know the answer), the issue is with nVidia's driver not working with TwinView and any number of monitors that isn't even. So if he wanted 4 monitors it would work, but not with 3. Ran into this same issue on my work PC (though I have two video cards, and three monitors).

If he used the open source driver, it should work just fine.

Virtually all motherboards will support as many graphics cards as they have slots - GFX cards don't come only in PCIe x16 flavour, you know... (plus in many mobos at least some of the smaller PCIe slots are "open", to allow for usual large-slotted cards in them; any hypothetical loss of performance is irrelevant, certainly so in the typical ~desktop multi-mon usages)

BTW, my old multi-monitor setup had all kinds of weird glitches when trying out Linux on it, using exclusively OSS drivers... (hell, the cards didn't even really have, by then, any closed drivers compatible with contemporary distros - but they were supposedly the premier examples of good, long-maintained, polished OSS drivers)
Somehow no issues at all under Windows, despite using relatively outdated drivers (manufacturers of both GPUs used in that setup stopped supporting them also on Win by then)

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