Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 28th Aug 2012 20:46 UTC
Linux "For years now, Linux has been a black sheep standing in the shadow of Apple and Microsoft. Despite having a fervent and enthusiastic following, the operating system hasn't been able to grab a sizable share of the computing market and has instead been content to subsist on the customers that come away dissatisfied with the mainstream competition. But that may be about to change. With the release of Microsoft Windows 8 on the horizon, some are saying Linux may have a great opportunity to steal a significant share of the market away from Microsoft, allowing it to finally take the helm as a major operating system service provider." This has to stop, and the only reason I'm linking to this nonsense is to make this very clear: Linux will not magically conquer the desktop or even make any significant gains because of Windows 8. People who don't like Windows 8 (Vista) will continue to use Windows 7 (Windows XP). This is getting so tiring. And does it even matter? Linux is winning big time in the mobile space, server space, and countless other spaces. The desktop is and always has been irrelevant to Linux.
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lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Windows is miles better.

Firstly within the life time of Windows 7, a binary driver that was written in 2009 will work in 2020. Even some Windows 2000 drivers work with Windows XP.

Also While Linux may have more supported hardware devices, a lot of the support is incomplete.

A lot of people say, they should release the driver as Open Source. This is simply no possible especially with the nvidia driver because the nvidia driver replaces huge parts of X and other things such as DRI so that you can get decent 3D performance. The AMD/ATi open source drivers are miles behind in hardware support and performance, and everyone says they have been "getting there for years".

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shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

a binary driver that was written in 2009 will work in 2020

Just because Windows is so innovative that it gets updated once in 10 years? Yeah, that's called "miles better".

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ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

You can improve an operating system while maintaining backwards compatibility. The (original) PS3 could play PS2 games and having that compatibility didn't slow it down.

Linus and Greg KH full of shit when it comes to the unstable abi. They want everyone to believe that continually breaking stuff is needed to make Linux better. Windows and OS/X have progressed without randomly breaking drivers, Linux could too but the guy at the top hates binary drivers on an emotional level.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Nope, it just the ABI doesn't break within the same OS version.

Win 7 driver in 2009 will work with Win 7 fully patched in 2020.

Windows XP driver from 2001 will work with Windows XP fully patched now.

Edited 2012-08-29 11:07 UTC

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Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24


Firstly within the life time of Windows 7, a binary driver that was written in 2009 will work in 2020.

Because the driver infrastructure won't recieve any major changes during Windows 7's lifetime, that will be reserved for Windows 'X' which will be released somewhere between now and 2020, which will require new drivers for everything.

And as the Windows drivers are proprietary binaries which only the hardware vendors can modify and recompile against the new driver infrastructure they will selectively support it with drivers for the latest and greatest, rendering lots of perfectly working hardware useless should you upgrade to the new Windows 'X'.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Actually that isn't true, if you notice Microsoft have a lot of their own drivers for older hardware.

For example a Rage 128 card which is no longer supported by ATi the drivers exist as part of the Windows Vista and Windows 7 install. I doubt you can even get the driver from the AMD website now.

Very very old hardware maynot be supported, but I doubt it's still supported in Linux either.

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ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Compare to Linux where:

Manufacturers create barebones/poor performing drivers just to show a modicum of support and leave out features like ink level monitoring or don't update them to the latest standards.

Drivers don't get created at all due to spite/small market or are released a year after the Windows driver.

Contrary to popular belief a driver in the tree is not guaranteed to be maintained forever. Drivers in the tree can be accidentally broken or intentionally deprecated. There is a shortage of driver developers in the open source world so your device can be left borked for good.

I've seen the results of Linus' do it my way or get fucked attitude. No thanks, I'll stick with Windows where manufacturers are treated with respect and can choose to create open source or binary drivers and expect them to work for the life of the OS.

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