Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 28th Aug 2012 20:46 UTC
Linux "For years now, Linux has been a black sheep standing in the shadow of Apple and Microsoft. Despite having a fervent and enthusiastic following, the operating system hasn't been able to grab a sizable share of the computing market and has instead been content to subsist on the customers that come away dissatisfied with the mainstream competition. But that may be about to change. With the release of Microsoft Windows 8 on the horizon, some are saying Linux may have a great opportunity to steal a significant share of the market away from Microsoft, allowing it to finally take the helm as a major operating system service provider." This has to stop, and the only reason I'm linking to this nonsense is to make this very clear: Linux will not magically conquer the desktop or even make any significant gains because of Windows 8. People who don't like Windows 8 (Vista) will continue to use Windows 7 (Windows XP). This is getting so tiring. And does it even matter? Linux is winning big time in the mobile space, server space, and countless other spaces. The desktop is and always has been irrelevant to Linux.
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RE[5]: X Sucks
by Valhalla on Wed 29th Aug 2012 13:13 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: X Sucks"
Valhalla
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So you have 50 guys, dealing with everything from the kernel on up being constantly futzed with, and you have 10,000 drivers and a release every 6 months to a year...see the problem?

First of all, the developers are not testing all the drivers/hardware, others are testing the hardware they have and report problems upstream.

Secondly you don't seem to understand what an ABI is, it's an interface, a change to that interface means that in the majority of cases all it takes is a tweak to the driver source code, you sound as if the driver functionality needs to be rewritten.

And third, just because the ABI isn't stable doesn't mean it changes all the time and force kernel devs to make those small changes in drivers. And just so that you understand what we are talking about here, it's in-kernel interfaces, not the userspace->kernel interface, which is very stable.

Finally, the stability of a driver does not lie in the ABI, you can make changes to the ABI with every minor revision with a perfectly stable driver as a result.

And unlike Windows and OSX, Linux needs to run on a wide range of cpu architectures, many for which hardware device vendors have little to no interest in providing proprietary drivers, however due to the amazing in-tree driver support of Linux these cpu architectures enjoys great hardware support.

Proprietary drivers is a moronic concept, it creates an artificial barrier preventing you from using the hardware you've purchased in the environment of your choice and instead you are beholden to the good will of the hardware vendor to 'allow' you to use the hardware where they see fit.

Therefore it's so great to see not only that the holdouts are practically extinct (NVidia), and that discrete GPU's are being obsoleted from the end user desktop and replaced by gpgpu's with fully open source drivers which means there's suddenly every possibility of a future where you can get full use of your graphics hardware no matter if you use Linux, BSD's, Haiku, insert favourite alternative OS here

And for those who still use discrete GPU's there are alternatives like Nouveau which has made incredible progress in a very short amount of time through nothing but painstaking reverse engineering and skill.

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