Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 29th Aug 2012 22:52 UTC
Linux Miguel de Icaza: "To sum up: (a) First dimension: things change too quickly, breaking both open source and proprietary software alike; (b) incompatibility across Linux distributions. This killed the ecosystem for third party developers trying to target Linux on the desktop. You would try once, do your best effort to support the 'top' distro or if you were feeling generous 'the top three' distros. Only to find out that your software no longer worked six months later. Supporting Linux on the desktop became a burden for independent developers." Mac OS X came along to scoop up the Linux defectors.
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Comment by miscz
by miscz on Wed 29th Aug 2012 23:14 UTC
miscz
Member since:
2005-07-17

Dubious moves by Ubuntu with Unity and Gnome Foundation's Gnome 3. KISS. My father and grandfather that would be less technically inclined people they are after couldn't stand how the experience changed from Gnome 2.

Windows 8 was a great opportuninty as Microsoft pursued tablet experience on desktop computers (eww) but Gnome 3 made the same mistakes, just earlier.

Points brought up by Miguel are valid but user experience is the key and there was very little wrong with late Gnome 2 distros.

I'm under heavy influence of alcohol.

Edited 2012-08-29 23:18 UTC

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RE: Comment by miscz
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 30th Aug 2012 00:54 in reply to "Comment by miscz"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

I'm under heavy influence of alcohol.

I wish I could be. Oh, and I agree with most of what you've said.

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RE: Comment by miscz
by trev on Thu 30th Aug 2012 03:47 in reply to "Comment by miscz"
trev Member since:
2006-11-22

I think you're spot on. Ubuntu w/ Gnome2 was starting to become THE Linux experience for the average user. Gnome3's "transition" basically destroyed that completely.

As for OSX being simple and easy to use, how many of the OSX users here run any of the following:
OpenVPN
Samba
SSHFS
NFSv4

I have a few clients that just moved to OSX on the desktop and it's been a disaster for them. Either the performance them unusable. they are missing key pieces of the software stack, or installing them is painful.

My clients have asked around and so have I and I've yet to get an answer to the basic question: what does OSX have for workable file and print services? It sure isn't SAMBA/CIFS (horrendous performance) and isn't NFSv4 and it's not appletalk so what do you use?

OSX has some advantages but trying to get REAL work done on it has been much harder to do than on Linux Desktops. Apple can't seem to even decide where /etc/hosts information should live. Are 3 locations really necessary for that info?

I'd love to hear some productive responses from the OSX users here. These are real problems my clients face since migrating to OSX.

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RE[2]: Comment by miscz
by maethorechannen on Thu 30th Aug 2012 14:56 in reply to "RE: Comment by miscz"
maethorechannen Member since:
2009-09-03

My clients have asked around and so have I and I've yet to get an answer to the basic question: what does OSX have for workable file and print services? It sure isn't SAMBA/CIFS (horrendous performance)


Apple dumped Samba for a home-grown replacement. That might be part of your problems.

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RE[2]: Comment by miscz
by akrosdbay on Thu 30th Aug 2012 15:28 in reply to "RE: Comment by miscz"
akrosdbay Member since:
2008-06-09


As for OSX being simple and easy to use, how many of the OSX users here run any of the following:
OpenVPN
Samba
SSHFS
NFSv4


My clients have asked around and so have I and I've yet to get an answer to the basic question: what does OSX have for workable file and print services? It sure isn't SAMBA/CIFS (horrendous performance) and isn't NFSv4 and it's not appletalk so what do you use?



NFSv4 is supported and I use it every day.
Smb support:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1568

OS X uses CUPS for print services.

If you can be more specific with what your problem is it will be helpful.

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