Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 29th Aug 2012 22:52 UTC
Linux Miguel de Icaza: "To sum up: (a) First dimension: things change too quickly, breaking both open source and proprietary software alike; (b) incompatibility across Linux distributions. This killed the ecosystem for third party developers trying to target Linux on the desktop. You would try once, do your best effort to support the 'top' distro or if you were feeling generous 'the top three' distros. Only to find out that your software no longer worked six months later. Supporting Linux on the desktop became a burden for independent developers." Mac OS X came along to scoop up the Linux defectors.
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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Thu 30th Aug 2012 07:51 UTC
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And whilst everybody continues to argue about Linux and application support, millions and millions of iPads (and soon Google tablets) are being sold and users are getting their stuff done on all new apps that only exist on mobile platforms.

By the time Linux catches up to the desktop of now, the desktop won't exist any more, and the next gen of apps that consumers require won't be on Linux either.

Making Linux for the average user should be dropped immediately and a single, unified, concerted effort should be put into a single, unified mobile platform.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by neur0 on Thu 30th Aug 2012 09:16 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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Linux is a kernel, making Android as much Linux as is Ubuntu.
So, yeah, Linux is pretty much alive on both Desktop (never been better numbers-wise), Servers, Tablets, Phones etc.
Don't know why this article is linked on OSnews. It is painfully obvious that the writer fell in love (his words) with iPhone and OSX and is now making the, well known argument "I'm switching to [whatever], therefore everyone ("many hackers") is doing it" and this article is just him rationalizing it to himself.
Getting emotional about software and his iPhone aside, I disagree with him on his main point that "compatibility across Linux distributions" is a problem. It is the package maintainer's task to make sure that the software is well implemented in the distro's environment, not developers'
What he probably meant to say was that non-FOSSoftware is a hassle to maintain. Well, I will agree with that, but this opens an entirely different. more then a decade old, can of worms called "The Cathedral and the Bazaar"
Oh, and I would like him to explain to me, what exactly is a "third party developer" in an OSS ecosystem?

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by dsmogor on Thu 30th Aug 2012 09:57 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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(edit) It didn't contradict you, maintaining 3rd party sw products is not commercially sustainable in OSS systems.
Besides, the whole approach lenient to compatibility breakage of individual projects creates a complex set of hard dependencies that are not manageable even to dedicated system integrators (distro makers) resulting in all kinds of update headaches. While every component might be technically of good quality, the composition of them is failing constantly.

Edited 2012-08-30 10:07 UTC

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by Gullible Jones on Thu 30th Aug 2012 17:21 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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Re the desktop ceasing to exist, I think it would be better to say that the desktop may cease to exist as a separate device.

Some things are much more easily done on a desktop. Coding, writing, image editing... Smart phones can do these things now, but don't have the right display and input mechanisms for it.

My suspicion is that, in 10 years or so, a "desktop" will be a combined monitor, keyboard, and I/O hub that you plug your phone into. IOW then-current desktops will not be separate devices for most people, because smart phones will be powerful enough to do everything a modern desktop can; but the role of the desktop will still be there, because there simply isn't a better way to do a lot of things.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by bassbeast on Thu 30th Aug 2012 20:29 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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Not gonna happen, and here is why: mobile chips are naturally designed for battery life above all and even the latest and greatest has MUCH worse IPC than even a 6 year old C2D much less the new AMD and Intel multicore monsters.

Can we put that "Tablets are killing the desktop!" meme to bed already? I've been selling systems since 1993, right down in the trenches, and what I'm seeing is the exact opposite in that there are more x86 systems than ever and THAT is why sales are down, not because anything is replacing anything. What jobs do your average user have that a Phenom I X4 or C2Q can't do with cycles left over? None, that's what. Heck I'm gaming on a 3 year old Phenom II X6 and my youngest took my Phenom II X4 has a "hand me down" and both sit there twiddling their thumbs while playing the latest games!

The simple fact is in their "war of the cores" both AMD and Intel leapfrogged right past good enough and went even past insanely overpowered and right to ludicrous speed! People are buying tablets and smartphones because in the case of the tablets they are filling a niche, the "check my email while plopped on the couch" niche while the smartphones are having their own MHz war and as such the phone you bought last year won't run the latest this year.

Desktops aren't going anywhere, they are simply a mature market. Since ARM is already talking about "dark silicon" where the chip will have more transistors than the battery can feed give it 3 years and you'll see the same thing happen with mobile, then like desktops folks won't replace them until they die.

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