Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 26th Aug 2012 10:28 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless In light of the jury verdict in Apple vs. Samsung, the one-liners and jokes flew back and forth. One in particular, by Dan Frakes, has been copied and pasted all over the web, and it goes like this: "When the iPhone debuted, it was widely criticized for having no buttons/keys. Now people think the iPhone's design is 'obvious'." This is a very common trend in this entire debate that saddens me to no end: the iPhone is being compared to simple feature phones, while in fact, it should be compared to its true predecessor: the PDA. PDAs have always done with few buttons.
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RE[10]: Reaching
by Windows Sucks on Thu 30th Aug 2012 10:40 UTC in reply to "RE[9]: Reaching"
Windows Sucks
Member since:
2005-11-10

[q]It must be awesome to unaware of even the recent history of today's technology, I bet everything seems like some new and amazing innovation to you. Hey, check this cool new thing called "IRC" - it's like Twitter... but in real-time!!!


See first off who says I don't know. Knowing and caring are two different things. On top of that I am not talking about me. I am talking about the average user. The normal person who of you say IRC to them they will look at you confused. The average person who has only known Apple and Microsoft for most of their life. Not tech people.

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RE[11]: Reaching
by TM99 on Thu 30th Aug 2012 11:41 in reply to "RE[10]: Reaching"
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2012-08-26

See first off who says I don't know. Knowing and caring are two different things. On top of that I am not talking about me. I am talking about the average user. The normal person who of you say IRC to them they will look at you confused. The average person who has only known Apple and Microsoft for most of their life. Not tech people.


You don't act like you know so it appears to be the same thing. And while you and your generation apparently don't care, my generation does. Cut that bull about the 'average' user. Yeah, perhaps in your generation this is now true. An entire swash of people who grew up taking it all for granted and not knowing a damned thing about computing technology unless you were a techie.

Well, newsflash son, my generation grew up with all of this from the earliest home computers to the PDA to the smartphone to the iPhone. We have watched companies come and go. We know what IRC is. What know what BBS's were. We aren't all techies either. But we know how to use our computers, and many of us know how to program them. Or at the very least we know what it means to program them. When we went to school, we got classes in programming not using applications alone. The average user of my generation is around computing everyday, and we do care about the current trend of forgetting or rewriting our most recent past. We are doctors, psychologists, economists, professors, historians, etc. Technology helps us do our jobs more efficiently and more smoothly. I like knowing how to write my own statistical analysis programs in R, and I know many other non IT men and women in my professional sphere that feel the same way.

The worse irony is that the two company's in the US that are now the dominant market leaders started with the idea of giving the hardware and software to the masses. Microsoft and Apple wanted the general populace to have the freedom that was not available when academia and government alone controlled the tech. And yet now, they and your generation in its ignorance and desire for 'invisibility to be the goal' of computing, want to return us to that world once more. This is a world where gatekeepers and a techno-priesthood control the hardware, the OS, the applications, and your data in a nice little walled-garden.

Perhaps it takes someone like me not inside the tech field proper to see this more clearly than some of you who actually believe you are or will become that priesthood. Having been a part of the Apple developer program for years just for my work and personal interest, I eventually left because of how draconian they have become with their walled-garden of protection for the masses they now want to control. No thank you.

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RE[12]: Reaching
by Windows Sucks on Thu 30th Aug 2012 12:19 in reply to "RE[11]: Reaching"
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2005-11-10

Newsflash, I am 42 so I am in the generation who grew up on Tandy computers, TI computers,Caldera Linux and Corel Linux. Who saw MS kill companies like Banyan and Novel, Corel, Lotus, Quatro Pro etc, etc, etc.

But unlike you I know that crying over the past wont change the future, so I deal with the here and now.

And the here and now is Apple and Microsoft and why are they the here in now? Because even though they didn't invent most of the stuff they now control, they took those ideas and made them profitable and popular! Thats how business works.

Its the reason that companies like Banyan and Novel who had way better products then Microsoft are dead. Great engineers but horrible business skills. Thats not Apple or Microsofts fault, it just boils down to the fact that no mater how great a product is and no matter how much it was built on ideals etc, if it can't sell then who the hell cares.

And you might not be techy, that's cool, but no mater how you try and flip it and show that a few non tech people care, in reality 99% of people don't care! They are not gonna stop buying iPhones because its a PDA clone or stop using Twitter because its an IRC clone or stop using Google and go back to Yahoo. Just not gonna happen! Just like no one stopped buying iPods cause Apple didn't invent it.

Everyday people don't want to write applications, people just want to pick up their tech and use it to make everyday life faster and to be connected. Which is why Apple is so popular. No one wants to fiddle with tech if they don't have to. They just want to pick it up and it mostly work. Doctors, psychologists, economists, professors, historians at least in America are some of the LAST people to get on the tech bandwagon. Most doctors are tech adverse which is why the government is almost forcing them to go to digital medical records and things of that nature.

In the end we are just going back and forth the reality is Apple, MS and even Google are here to stay. The lawsuits and crazy patents are here to stay. Get over it.

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RE[11]: Reaching
by BallmerKnowsBest on Fri 31st Aug 2012 18:46 in reply to "RE[10]: Reaching"
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2008-06-02

See first off who says I don't know. Knowing and caring are two different things. On top of that I am not talking about me. I am talking about the average user. The normal person who of you say IRC to them they will look at you confused. The average person who has only known Apple and Microsoft for most of their life. Not tech people.


Wow, that has to be the most excruciatingly verbose statement of the "appeal to popularity/majority" fallacy that I have ever read.

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