Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 28th Aug 2012 20:46 UTC
Linux "For years now, Linux has been a black sheep standing in the shadow of Apple and Microsoft. Despite having a fervent and enthusiastic following, the operating system hasn't been able to grab a sizable share of the computing market and has instead been content to subsist on the customers that come away dissatisfied with the mainstream competition. But that may be about to change. With the release of Microsoft Windows 8 on the horizon, some are saying Linux may have a great opportunity to steal a significant share of the market away from Microsoft, allowing it to finally take the helm as a major operating system service provider." This has to stop, and the only reason I'm linking to this nonsense is to make this very clear: Linux will not magically conquer the desktop or even make any significant gains because of Windows 8. People who don't like Windows 8 (Vista) will continue to use Windows 7 (Windows XP). This is getting so tiring. And does it even matter? Linux is winning big time in the mobile space, server space, and countless other spaces. The desktop is and always has been irrelevant to Linux.
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RE[5]: X Sucks
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 30th Aug 2012 14:52 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: X Sucks"
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

I've actually done that "Pepsi challange" since 2009 with fedora, things just get better. Or are you saying that you need to upgrade to new "versions" of Fedora while windows 7 is still windows 7? Or are you saying that Fedora 11 is no longer supported and therefore loses? I think it passes as I have upgraded it and nothing has broken. Hardware that didn't work well at first got better. Software that didn't work well at first got better.

If you want a desktop version that doesn't need a "Version" upgrade and with minimal fuss, then I'd direct you to Red hat enterprise Desktop or CENTOS. Those are pretty rock solid and get a decent amount of backports.

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RE[6]: X Sucks
by bassbeast on Thu 30th Aug 2012 18:44 in reply to "RE[5]: X Sucks"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

RHEL is $400 a year, Windows a one time cost of $80-$140 depending on version, no comparison. And Cent is a leecher mod done by a couple of guys that could disappear tomorrow, as we saw a couple years back with them just falling away for months without even email, again no comparison.

Again I'll be happy to step up and take the challenge, and don't blame me that Linux HAS to be upgraded, as Windows supports for 10 years and Linux could too if they chose, instead the devs say "its free" so they upgrade. Well my time is NOT free and those upgrades make messes. We'll take 2 bog standard COTS laptops, any OEM, slap whatever Linux and Win 7 RTM with NO driver packs, we'll see what works OOTB and if either needs drivers we'll install, then we'll patch/upgrade to current.

As I've said I've done this and seen with my own two eyes, drivers BREAK badly. Wireless and sound are the worse, but video will often be flaky, changed settings will be reset or sometime end up borked completely, its a mess.

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RE[7]: X Sucks
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 31st Aug 2012 13:37 in reply to "RE[6]: X Sucks"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

RHEL desktop ( we are talking about desktops, right?) is as little as $50 a year.

https://www.redhat.com/apps/store/desktop/

If you can't afford redhat and don't trust cent to be around... there is scientific linux. Also free, developed and supported by Nuclear physicists.

What do you mean by "drivers break badly"? Are you talking about binary blob drivers? Or out of kernel drivers? If so, then yes they do break by the abi changes. If you are talking about open source drivers that are included in the kernel, then I can honestly say I've never seen that happen. I've never seen an open source driver included in the driver break because of an update.

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