Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 1st Sep 2012 21:15 UTC
Windows The Verge published a video demonstrating how desktop mode and Office 2013 - a desktop application - work on Windows RT, the ARM version of Windows 8. The video showed a desktop mode that clearly didn't work well for touch, and even Office 2013, which has a rudimentary touch mode built-in, didn't work properly either. It looked and felt clunky, often didn't respond properly, and even showed touch lag.
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It's like watching a great whale die
by Tony Swash on Sun 2nd Sep 2012 00:28 UTC
Tony Swash
Member since:
2009-08-22

It's like watching a great whale die. Sad, a bit embarrassing but I can't stop watching. They really have no idea and just panicked because of the iPad led tablet wave and tried bolting everything together into a weird mess. It's not so much you can see the seams where everything is glued together but the fact the seams come apart before your very eyes.

I have no idea how the average Windows consumer will cope with all this let alone enterprise IT. If MS had had the courage to just go with Metro as a new and separate OS and developed a new completely redesigned for touch set of productivity suites they may have stood a chance to make it work. They could have just focussed on making a feature limited but well designed touch versions of Word and Excel (with file compatibility with their desktop versions) and with Metro minus the absurd desktop mode it might have looked good to the IT depts who are uncomfortable with Apple i-Devices. But they just couldn't do it.

The Innovators Dilemma indeed.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I think enterprises are much more interested in full Windows 8 tablets because of the superior enterprise management capabilities.

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dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

How is enterprise management IPad support looking right now? What actual advantages can MS have in real world scenarios?

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mistersoft Member since:
2011-01-05

You really think MS are going to die anytime soon!!?
really?

I don't think Win 8 or Win RT will be massively rip roaring successes, over and above Win 7 ; and I personally hate the idea of devices which on the surface of it are or might be good hardware devices, no pun intended, I mean all Win RT/arm tablet and notebooks not just the eponymous MS ones, being secureboot tied to the OS. Same goes for Apple tablets/phones, and both of them with their walled garden App stores .Yes MS might be slightly copying the Apple direction at the moment, but I won't be at all surprised when MS learn from Win 8/RT mistakes and remove or add features or functionality, maybe even open the whole platform back up a bit more if there's enough backlash, though I do think most of the backlash will probably be 'UI change' based, rather than owt to do with platform lockdown and bit by bit they'll (probably) turn it all and make a reasonable success out of it.

they're not fools. MS and Apple will BOTH be around in 20, 30 probably 50 years time. They're the kind of companies who are big enough, amongst other things, that they can (pretty much) ignore stockmarket issues, at least for a long time.

I think EVENTUALLY web apps(web technology based I mean obviously so including offline apps) will kill off most of the dregs of the OS wars (outside of specialist scientific, financial, and HPC and high end media stuff, NLE, animation, rendering software etc)

therefore maybe eventually BOTH Apple and MS will "simply" be vendors of the 'shiniest, bestest, fanciest of all the hardware options out there!'

rock on 50 years time. all the fanboys can then maybe begin to give it a bleeding rest and go make sweet love to each other instead or whatever else they're into

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dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

The funny thing is nobody have yet really figured out why IPad is successful.

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Dr.Mabuse Member since:
2009-05-19

I have no idea how the average Windows consumer will cope with all this let alone enterprise IT. If MS had had the courage to just go with Metro as a new and separate OS and developed a new completely redesigned for touch set of productivity suites they may have stood a chance to make it work.


I agree with this part.

Had Windows 8 been a nice and gradual evolution from Windows 7, then enterprises (and dare I say it, a lot of us computer geeks) would have been very happy. Maybe they could have called it Windows 7.5 :-) (or adopt a version numbering structure that doesn't smack of marketing foo-foo.)

Here's an idea: Metro could have (should have) been a seperate OS as you state, but there is no reason it couldn't be spawned when required from with-in Windows as a virtual machine to run a touch application... Much in the way you can run Android applications now from Windows (see Bluestacks.)

This would have satisfied the need to run the occasional touch application, whilst not destroying the desktop experience that many depend upon or simply like.

With that said, I'm already tailoring ways to make Windows 8 more Windows 7-like, so perhaps this will all be a storm in a tea-cup...

It's like watching a great whale die.


Other people have touched on this, but I really doubt Microsoft is going anywhere soon. Even given much thought to what would be required for an organisation (even a small one) to fully abandon that ship? The cost would be outrageous and what is the gain exactly?

IMHO: We'll see another decade of Windows 7 installs (with Windows 8 licenses) before that happens!

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