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Windows The Verge published a video demonstrating how desktop mode and Office 2013 - a desktop application - work on Windows RT, the ARM version of Windows 8. The video showed a desktop mode that clearly didn't work well for touch, and even Office 2013, which has a rudimentary touch mode built-in, didn't work properly either. It looked and felt clunky, often didn't respond properly, and even showed touch lag.
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Tired warn out company...
by krreagan on Sun 2nd Sep 2012 01:10 UTC
krreagan
Member since:
2008-04-08

MS is a tired warn out company that can't manage to take a firm dump to save it's own life!!!

It's the same thing year after year after year... they come out with something new that bombs! and 18 months later they pull it off the market.

It's my hypothesis that Linux killed any hope of a Windows desktop replacement! Companies see Linux failed on the desktop and see the carnage left by the also rans of the 1990's (BeOS, OS/2, AmigaOS...) and no one is willing to put any money to bank roll a competitor to MS.

Balmer has drilled his company into the ground! and yet nobody wants to take on this limping one legged gazelle of a company! Why? Because Linux on the Desktop is dead (save techies which is <1% of the desktop market) and companies see this and say if a FOSS OS can't do it, nobody can!

OSX is not in the running because it only runs on Apple HW, and while quite superior to a commodity PC HW/OS solution, large companies will not fire someone for choosing MS! So the mediocrity continues it's long and slow slide to in the outhouse we call the future of MS!

I recently asked my IT folks to put me back on XP because the crap that came with my latest PC was nothing but eye-candy updates that added no real value to my system for me as a user and so I did not want to spend the next two weeks learning/fighting the system for no clear advantage! It's amazing how much faster & fresher XP feels under the new HW.

When will the slow death of MS end... Not until Balmer is let go so they can put a real leader in charge and not a dancing monkey. The board has to see the latest fiasco called Windows-Mobile/Nokia alliance as a last straw for Balmer. Even Nokia has distanced itself from MS by saying they have a "Plan-B" in case windows phones fails... again!

So far MS is about 12 years into it's death slide... It probably has the money for another 12 years worth of corollas effect before the final gurgle.

Edited 2012-09-02 01:15 UTC

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RE: Tired warn out company...
by ze_jerkface on Sun 2nd Sep 2012 03:42 in reply to "Tired warn out company..."
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

It's my hypothesis that Linux killed any hope of a Windows desktop replacement! Companies see Linux failed on the desktop and see the carnage left by the also rans of the 1990's (BeOS, OS/2, AmigaOS...) and no one is willing to put any money to bank roll a competitor to MS.


A big problem with dumping money into the Linux desktop is that your competitors get the fruits of your labor thanks to the GPL. Red Hat has managed to get around this by selling a brand name and pricey support to enterprise but that same model doesn't work on the desktop (and Linux fans please note that the Red Hat CEO acknowledged this).

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krreagan Member since:
2008-04-08

If someone really wanted to do it they could put there graphics (non-X11) on top of a linux distribution without giving away the goose, as it were.
However the way Apple did it was to use BSD so the GPL was not an issue. The GPL means it's a non-starter. I think someone could do the same as long as they rolled their own graphical front end, as Apple did.

The problem is getting the necessary threshold of apps available, so there is a viable market. If it was kept inexpensive enough, the open source developers would probably come along. There are a lot of great apps out here that are 90-95% complete. If they could polish these to make them usable... who knows. But then again, that is what contributed to killing Linux desktop, unusable apps.

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Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

Red Hat has managed to get around this by selling a brand name and pricey support to enterprise

Lol, Red Hat built their brand name (and fortune) by providing stellar support for a kernel and software ecosystem (both for which they wrote tons of code) which anyone could download and use for free, that is quite a feat. Pricey? In comparison to Microsoft?

It's certainly true though that the type of technical support on offer to the enterprise is not something you can sell to the end user desktop. In fact there is really no market for support on the end user desktop at all.

As such there is very little business potential on the Linux desktop as it's not only open source but also GPL licenced which means there's no 'we'll keep the best parts proprietary as a competitive edge which you will have to pay for' option.

Again the only really serious attempt at pushing money onto the Linux desktop is that of Canonical. I suppose their endgame is to make Ubuntu the enterprise desktop choice and OEM deals where it's preinstalled?

That said Ubuntu has certainly made a huge splash in the (albeit small) Linux desktop pond, and I'd certainly attest to it being the most user-friendly and polished out-of-the-box distro I've come across (yes, even with Unity!).

And while I personally prefer distros like Arch, Gentoo etc where you have total control, I find that Ubuntu is the one I recommend to Linux newcomers and it's also what I've installed for my parents. It will also be interesting to see how they will leverage the potential that native Steam brings, and how (if) it will mesh with their own app store.

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RE[2]: Tired warn out company...
by oper on Sun 2nd Sep 2012 08:33 in reply to "RE: Tired warn out company..."
oper Member since:
2012-08-30

your competitors get the fruits of your labor thanks to the GPL

Some fruits, not all. And you get some fruits of the labor of your competitors thanks to the GPL. This way your company is not forced to develop a whole operating system and its applications.

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marcus0263 Member since:
2007-06-02

A big problem with dumping money into the Linux desktop is that your competitors get the fruits of your labor thanks to the GPL. Red Hat has managed to get around this by selling a brand name and pricey support to enterprise but that same model doesn't work on the desktop (and Linux fans please note that the Red Hat CEO acknowledged this).


Nope, company I work for we use Linux as our base. We do contribute back to the community but we also maintain some proprietary code. There is a fortune to be made in maintenance, support contracts and consulting for the Enterprise. That's were the real $$$ are generated.

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RE: Tired warn out company...
by darknexus on Sun 2nd Sep 2012 05:41 in reply to "Tired warn out company..."
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Can't figure out why you were modded down, as you raise some seriously valid points. Balmer is an incompetent, pure and simple. I'm convinced that the board keeps him around just for entertainment value. He has no idea how to bring a product to market and, further, has no vision for the end result. I also think Ms was a bit too quick to jump on the "me too" bandwagon from the fear that they would be left behind. Now, they have no idea what to do with it or, at least, the top brass are clueless. They want a tablet os, but they can't break compatibility, yet they want to lock it down like iOS but that would piss off their enterprise customers, etc. They've got a lot of baggage with no idea where to drop it, and I think with Balmer and the rest of that crue in charge, that baggage will drag them under the water. They need new blood in management, pure and simple, and I hope they get it. As much as I don't like Microsoft, having a monopoly controlled by Apple at the top scares me even more.

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Colonel Panic Member since:
2005-07-28

OS X can run on any modern Intel equipment. Case in point I'm running Lion right now as I post this. It does NOT have to be on Apple HW, just Intel. I wanted a OS X box that sadly Apple either doesn't want to sell or is phasing out so I built my own. Whether that's legal or not I don't care, I have what I wanted. Plus my point is that OS X will run on other HW other than strictly Apple's.

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krreagan Member since:
2008-04-08

Irrelevant to the mass market.

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