Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 1st Sep 2012 21:15 UTC
Windows The Verge published a video demonstrating how desktop mode and Office 2013 - a desktop application - work on Windows RT, the ARM version of Windows 8. The video showed a desktop mode that clearly didn't work well for touch, and even Office 2013, which has a rudimentary touch mode built-in, didn't work properly either. It looked and felt clunky, often didn't respond properly, and even showed touch lag.
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RE: Tired warn out company...
by ze_jerkface on Sun 2nd Sep 2012 03:42 UTC in reply to "Tired warn out company..."
ze_jerkface
Member since:
2012-06-22

It's my hypothesis that Linux killed any hope of a Windows desktop replacement! Companies see Linux failed on the desktop and see the carnage left by the also rans of the 1990's (BeOS, OS/2, AmigaOS...) and no one is willing to put any money to bank roll a competitor to MS.


A big problem with dumping money into the Linux desktop is that your competitors get the fruits of your labor thanks to the GPL. Red Hat has managed to get around this by selling a brand name and pricey support to enterprise but that same model doesn't work on the desktop (and Linux fans please note that the Red Hat CEO acknowledged this).

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krreagan Member since:
2008-04-08

If someone really wanted to do it they could put there graphics (non-X11) on top of a linux distribution without giving away the goose, as it were.
However the way Apple did it was to use BSD so the GPL was not an issue. The GPL means it's a non-starter. I think someone could do the same as long as they rolled their own graphical front end, as Apple did.

The problem is getting the necessary threshold of apps available, so there is a viable market. If it was kept inexpensive enough, the open source developers would probably come along. There are a lot of great apps out here that are 90-95% complete. If they could polish these to make them usable... who knows. But then again, that is what contributed to killing Linux desktop, unusable apps.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

The last 5%-15% is where most devs get bored, because the major interesting problems in the application are "solved".

I always joke than the last 20% of any development takes longer than the first 80%.

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Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

Red Hat has managed to get around this by selling a brand name and pricey support to enterprise

Lol, Red Hat built their brand name (and fortune) by providing stellar support for a kernel and software ecosystem (both for which they wrote tons of code) which anyone could download and use for free, that is quite a feat. Pricey? In comparison to Microsoft?

It's certainly true though that the type of technical support on offer to the enterprise is not something you can sell to the end user desktop. In fact there is really no market for support on the end user desktop at all.

As such there is very little business potential on the Linux desktop as it's not only open source but also GPL licenced which means there's no 'we'll keep the best parts proprietary as a competitive edge which you will have to pay for' option.

Again the only really serious attempt at pushing money onto the Linux desktop is that of Canonical. I suppose their endgame is to make Ubuntu the enterprise desktop choice and OEM deals where it's preinstalled?

That said Ubuntu has certainly made a huge splash in the (albeit small) Linux desktop pond, and I'd certainly attest to it being the most user-friendly and polished out-of-the-box distro I've come across (yes, even with Unity!).

And while I personally prefer distros like Arch, Gentoo etc where you have total control, I find that Ubuntu is the one I recommend to Linux newcomers and it's also what I've installed for my parents. It will also be interesting to see how they will leverage the potential that native Steam brings, and how (if) it will mesh with their own app store.

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ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

Canonical has reported about 20 million desktop/laptop users (based on unique IP addresses to their update servers), but more importantly, they have a serious monetization strategy that includes:

* An excellent store for both free and paid products (Software Center) built on apt that tightly links to their OS (e.g., Unity Dash shows both installed and available products matching my search, and purchasing and installing the available products is as simple as clicking the one I want)

* An excellent cloud service (UbuntuOne) that sells media and offers automated off-site backups, highly customized multi-OS synchronization, collaboration, etc.

* An active vendor affinity program for pre-installs

* A cross-product strategy covering desktops/laptops, servers, tablets, smartphones, TVs, and other embedded opportunities.

You can argue over whether they will succeed or fail in the long-term, but their founder has exceptionally deep pockets, extensive business experience, and a strong ideological commitment to "paying forward" the FOSS philosophy that he credits with enabling him to make is billions.

I'm a paying customer, so you needn't ask on which side I would argue. :-)

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RE[2]: Tired warn out company...
by oper on Sun 2nd Sep 2012 08:33 in reply to "RE: Tired warn out company..."
oper Member since:
2012-08-30

your competitors get the fruits of your labor thanks to the GPL

Some fruits, not all. And you get some fruits of the labor of your competitors thanks to the GPL. This way your company is not forced to develop a whole operating system and its applications.

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marcus0263 Member since:
2007-06-02

A big problem with dumping money into the Linux desktop is that your competitors get the fruits of your labor thanks to the GPL. Red Hat has managed to get around this by selling a brand name and pricey support to enterprise but that same model doesn't work on the desktop (and Linux fans please note that the Red Hat CEO acknowledged this).


Nope, company I work for we use Linux as our base. We do contribute back to the community but we also maintain some proprietary code. There is a fortune to be made in maintenance, support contracts and consulting for the Enterprise. That's were the real $$$ are generated.

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