Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 1st Sep 2012 21:15 UTC
Windows The Verge published a video demonstrating how desktop mode and Office 2013 - a desktop application - work on Windows RT, the ARM version of Windows 8. The video showed a desktop mode that clearly didn't work well for touch, and even Office 2013, which has a rudimentary touch mode built-in, didn't work properly either. It looked and felt clunky, often didn't respond properly, and even showed touch lag.
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RE: Comment by ephracis
by bassbeast on Sun 2nd Sep 2012 14:53 UTC in reply to "Comment by ephracis"
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+10 That is EXACTLY what they need to do, although I'd argue that it needs to be split in THREE, not two.

1.-Windows Pro X86-64, a light business oriented release without any extra bling but with full DirectX support, similar to how they did with Win2K. This would let businesses have a nice conservative desktop (also performance gamers would probably choose this) without any extra fluff, just "get out of my way and let me run my programs" basically.

2.- Windows Home X86-64, this would be your consumer oriented more "family friendly" version, with your prettier desktop, appstore, plenty of multimedia stuff, very home user friendly.

3.- Windows RT, the ARM "Metro" look designed around cell phones and tablets, lots of appstore focus, all touch, no desktop mode.

Sadly what we are getting those is MSFT throwing a "Hail Mary" by trying to force desktop users to use a touch UI in the hopes that if they "get used to it" at home they might buy a tablet with it. I don't think its gonna work unless Ballmer is willing to flush another billion by selling Surface tablets below cost, but that seems to be the plan.

Oh and I'd say Mr Holwerda is incorrect, desktop mode isn't "just" for Office as frankly most of the deep level system stuff like file explorer and notepad and paint and the deeper system tools frankly aren't touch UI useful either so they really have no choice but to hang onto desktop mode. Remember the first versions of Vista, and how many programs still had XP dialog boxes and icons? We are seeing the same thing here, another rushed out release with a LOT of the low level stuff not converted over to the UI.

Personally I think like Vista its gonna be another bomb, anybody who uses it for any length of time can feel how unfinished the whole thing is, but MSFT is getting curbstomped so badly in mobile they have to throw something out there to try to gain some share. What I think is gonna slaughter them is the carriers are royally p*ssed at MSFT for buying Skype and they aren't gonna allow WinRT units to get the subsidies like the others because Skype competes with their core business, gouging on minutes and SMS.

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by smkudelko on Wed 5th Sep 2012 11:38 in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
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The problem is that Microsoft cant do "very home user friendly." They never could. Back in the days when DOS/Win3x were dominating home computing, home users were just forced into using a business computing environment for their home use. My first PC shipped with "Windows for Workgroups" for a 486DX2 that wouldn't even be connected to the Internet. Win 9x was friendly, but it brought all the business stuff along for the ride and made things extra complicated.

Even Windows Media Center, which some people seem to like, is incredibly confusing and way too much work for a simple TV environment.

The only friendly thing about recent Microsoft products is that they shortened the names from "Windows Ultimate Home Edition Professional Live Edition" kind of nonsense.

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RE[3]: Comment by ephracis
by ilovebeer on Thu 6th Sep 2012 05:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ephracis"
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Even Windows Media Center, which some people seem to like, is incredibly confusing and way too much work for a simple TV environment.

I know several people who use WMC. All of them ordinary home users, none of them needed any help. It's probably safe to say more than some people like it, and I doubt it's remotely close to your "incredibly confusing and way too much work" claim. If Windows and/or WMC is that challenging for somebody, my first thought would be either they have crap issue-laden hardware, or they're really lame when it comes to computers.

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