Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 1st Sep 2012 21:15 UTC
Windows The Verge published a video demonstrating how desktop mode and Office 2013 - a desktop application - work on Windows RT, the ARM version of Windows 8. The video showed a desktop mode that clearly didn't work well for touch, and even Office 2013, which has a rudimentary touch mode built-in, didn't work properly either. It looked and felt clunky, often didn't respond properly, and even showed touch lag.
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RE[6]: Window opportuniry
by TechGeek on Mon 3rd Sep 2012 00:40 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Window opportuniry"
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2006-01-14

You've just said it yourself. Most people don't want to be constantly updating, and they're quite content to have a few years between versions. The bleeding edge is called that for a reason, you know.


I never said Fedora was the choice to use for a desktop OS. My point was that even in Fedora, which is pretty much as far on the cutting edge as you can get, you don't see the problems you are listing.

As for multi user, Windows is not multi user. Why would you claim the abilities of the NT base, but then complain about how certain features on Linux are enterprise based. The desktop version of Windows is not multi user. Never has been, probably never will be. As for OS X, it wasn't until Lion apparently. I admit, I don't use OS X very much. But still, for most of its life, OS X could only spawn one gui interface at a time. But I will give that it has now progressed to that point.

I have NEVER had X crash and take all my programs with it. I have had it refuse to start. But once started, it has always been rock solid.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that if professional film studios can use Blender and Autodesk on Linux to work on professional films, then the state of Linux audio must not be that bad really.

You run 32 bit Windows XP on WIndows 7? Well good for you. But I guarantee that more drivers for Windows XP don't work on WIndows 7 than do. All three OS's break compatibility on different levels all the time. At least on Linux its not a bloody trade secret when it happens. It gets documented.

Its funny you mention supporting Linux at work. Sounds like you hate your job. I would if I had to use a system that I felt like that about. Simple fact is that distros like RHEL and SUSE and a few others get 10 years of support. They don't get the bleeding edge stuff, they don't break compatibility, they don't have driver issues, they just work. I don't use them for my desktop, but then I like the bleeding edge. But you are complaining about a problem that only really exists in a small portion of the Linux community. A portion I might add, that frequently advertises that they are cutting edge development distros that will have issues.'

I actually support only a few linux people, mostly I deal with Windows and OS X users. And I have to say that I have vastly more problem with WIndows and to a lesser extent OS X than I do with Linux. My sister runs a computer support company, and she has a business because Windows just doesn't work for most people. Between stupid user behavior and malware/virus laiden software, its a giant mess. Linux is immaculate compared to what is out their for Windows users.

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RE[7]: Window opportuniry
by edwdig on Mon 3rd Sep 2012 02:49 in reply to "RE[6]: Window opportuniry"
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2005-08-22

As for multi user, Windows is not multi user. Why would you claim the abilities of the NT base, but then complain about how certain features on Linux are enterprise based. The desktop version of Windows is not multi user. Never has been, probably never will be


You do realize that the last version of Windows not to come from the NT base was Millenium Edition back in 2000, right? Home users have been on NT since the release of XP back in 2001. Home versions of Windows have been fully multi-user for over a decade now.

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RE[8]: Window opportuniry
by TechGeek on Mon 3rd Sep 2012 03:48 in reply to "RE[7]: Window opportuniry"
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That may be but it doesn't change the fact that Windows can only have one person log into the machine at a time. Even if one is remote. Period. Windows doesn't even offer command line access for other users. The only way to have multi user access is through Windows Terminal Server, which is NOT a desktop OS. Not to mention you need extra licenses to do it. But this isn't really a point that has anything to do with anything other than the fact that X offers features that don't exist in OS X and Windows.

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RE[7]: Window opportuniry
by ilovebeer on Mon 3rd Sep 2012 03:14 in reply to "RE[6]: Window opportuniry"
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I am going to go out on a limb and say that if professional film studios can use Blender and Autodesk on Linux to work on professional films, then the state of Linux audio must not be that bad really.

Linux has no place in the world or pro audio & video. While a very short list of software may be available, you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who actually uses it. Real pro audio & video is completely dominated by Windows and OSX systems.

I actually support only a few linux people, mostly I deal with Windows and OS X users. And I have to say that I have vastly more problem with WIndows and to a lesser extent OS X than I do with Linux. My sister runs a computer support company, and she has a business because Windows just doesn't work for most people.

Of course you'll have people who have had good luck with linux. The same can be said for Windows and OSX as well. But, all the linux forums and mailing lists tell another linux story. There IS constant breakage, there IS ongoing problems, there IS no shortage of users fighting to get it to work properly.

Also, claiming that Windows doesn't work for most people doesn't do anything but signal sane people not to take you seriously.

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RE[8]: Window opportuniry
by TechGeek on Mon 3rd Sep 2012 03:43 in reply to "RE[7]: Window opportuniry"
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"I am going to go out on a limb and say that if professional film studios can use Blender and Autodesk on Linux to work on professional films, then the state of Linux audio must not be that bad really.

Linux has no place in the world or pro audio & video. While a very short list of software may be available, you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who actually uses it. Real pro audio & video is completely dominated by Windows and OSX systems.

I actually support only a few linux people, mostly I deal with Windows and OS X users. And I have to say that I have vastly more problem with WIndows and to a lesser extent OS X than I do with Linux. My sister runs a computer support company, and she has a business because Windows just doesn't work for most people.

Of course you'll have people who have had good luck with linux. The same can be said for Windows and OSX as well. But, all the linux forums and mailing lists tell another linux story. There IS constant breakage, there IS ongoing problems, there IS no shortage of users fighting to get it to work properly.

Also, claiming that Windows doesn't work for most people doesn't do anything but signal sane people not to take you seriously.
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As for professional uses, you are so wrong its not even funny.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Hollywood-Loves-Linux-45571.shtml

That is just one article from Google. There are tons more like it. Most production houses are using Linux.

As for Windows working, I guess thats a matter a perspective. I don't consider the hoops and hoopla that the average Windows user goes through to be "working". Considering the vast number of Windows malware and viruses out there, I would say that there are way too many Windows machines out there that are "broken". Otherwise that crap wouldn't spread.

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RE[8]: Window opportuniry
by Soulbender on Mon 3rd Sep 2012 06:06 in reply to "RE[7]: Window opportuniry"
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There IS constant breakage, there IS ongoing problems, there IS no shortage of users fighting to get it to work properly.


So what you're saying is that it is exactly like Windows and OSX?

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RE[8]: Window opportuniry
by muchmeck on Mon 3rd Sep 2012 16:54 in reply to "RE[7]: Window opportuniry"
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2012-09-03


Linux has no place in the world or pro audio & video. While a very short list of software may be available, you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who actually uses it. Real pro audio & video is completely dominated by Windows and OSX systems.





Wow! Have you worked in the entertainment industry? As a vfx artist my self who have, firstly, my own company and is currently employed by one of the major studios to do vfx for massive blockbuster movies (last two ones was main blockbuster releases this year). Yes there is alot of mac's here at work (only the management and that is not the main bulk of people) but that is also where they are. Our main OS IS Linux for three major reasons:

1) We have total control over the OS, there is no black magic happening behind the scene. We can modify it to the extent we want. So it fits the need of the studio.

2) It's free. Yes we have this as a major point to us. If we need to extend our workstation base (bring in emergency freelance artist) we don't need to buy 150-200 more licenses above the cost for the workstations, or our render-farm with about 500-1000 nodes (they are throwing around crazy numbers around here at work, at least for me and my own small company where we talk about say 5 - 20 new machines).

3) We have A LOT of in-house tools that is developed only for our pipeline to make the work we do faster. We base our pipeline on a of-the-shelf application and then extending that so our needs a met. Sure we're not using blender to any extent (or at all, it's installed and the artist are allowed to use it to create models. But no one does...). That is due to that unfortunately it's not up to par with the packages we us here and currently for us to switch would be a massive setback since we have a lot of time and money invested in this pipe, then if I would start a new company I would not choose either win or osx mainly for the points above this one.

And no. We aren't using photoshop. We're using a 3d painting app that allow us more flexibility and interconnection between our main app and this paint app. Our editorial office here at work uses a in-house cutting/editing app that our colorist and rnd-team has created, in Linux.

But then this whole argument can be circumvented depending on what you consider being "pro video". Creating a still image for a product visualization? Yes a lot of people are using win/osx and that is usually only (big generalization here) because they don't need the pipeline for manage all the data that an animation/vfx production need.

But hey that is just the way we deal with our stuff here at work (and at the places I've been to before).

just my two cents.


Ps.
Just looking at the "video" comment since I don't work in audio. I have absolutely no say in that or any knowledge about it's pipe and the normal setup at a recording studio
Ds.

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RE[8]: Window opportuniry
by juzzlin on Tue 4th Sep 2012 09:40 in reply to "RE[7]: Window opportuniry"
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2011-05-06

Of course you'll have people who have had good luck with linux. The same can be said for Windows and OSX as well. But, all the linux forums and mailing lists tell another linux story. There IS constant breakage, there IS ongoing problems, there IS no shortage of users fighting to get it to work properly.

Also, claiming that Windows doesn't work for most people doesn't do anything but signal sane people not to take you seriously.


Have you ever taken a look at some Windows forum, like windows7forums.com ? ;)

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