Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 5th Sep 2012 23:41 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless If there's one thing I miss in the current smartphone industry, it's design. Honest to good, real design. We basically see one boring slab after another, void of any true identity, whether it's iPhone, Samsung, or any of the others. In this boring world of grey, black, and the occasional white, Nokia is the jester, coming up with its own unique designs and crazy colour selection. Today, the company unveiled the Lumia 920 and 820 to continue this trend.
Thread beginning with comment 534027
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE: Still depressing
by MOS6510 on Thu 6th Sep 2012 05:15 UTC in reply to "Still depressing"
MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12

Phones don't lock out people, people do.

If you're a Windows user, which most people are, what's wrong with buying a phone that works with Windows?

Should you switch to Linux the worst that can happen is that you can't hook up your phone to it, but who does that anyway these days? It's all WiFi, Bluetooth and cloud stuff now.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: Still depressing
by masennus on Thu 6th Sep 2012 05:56 in reply to "RE: Still depressing"
masennus Member since:
2011-02-11

Wow, didn't know you could connect a pc to a lumia phone with wifi. How do you do that?

And again: I'm not suggesting that average people would know or care, I'm just having a hard time understanding how someone rooting for haiku and risc os while mourning the fate of beos still have only praises for this thing that deliberately makes it even more difficult to use anything other than mainstream os'es.

And about average people, just an example: Every classroom in my childrens school has a pc and some kind of "interactive whiteboard" with a projector and bluetooth connected pens, which is very frequently used. When one of the teachers has bought a "new nokia" and for the first time tries to copy off some pictures from the last school trip to show on the whiteboard, it won't work **** ONLY because microsoft decided that it MUST NOT work *****

The computers are running linux, as is every computer in the whole school district. As are the computers in the libraries. This is real, and happening, and microsoft is fighting it every way they can, as always. Still it might go the way of beos, only because people doesn't care.

Reply Parent Score: 4

RE[3]: Still depressing
by MOS6510 on Thu 6th Sep 2012 06:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Still depressing"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Wow, didn't know you could connect a pc to a lumia phone with wifi. How do you do that?


I don't know, but I didn't say that. What I meant is that connecting your phone to other devices/services is done using wireless technology these days. You don't need to transfer pictures to your computer to upload them to Facebook, you don't need to synchronize your address book via a wire with your computer. You don't even need a wire anymore to charge or connect a headset.

The teacher bought the wrong phone, but then he or she still could have put the pictures on-line. I'm not sure the IT department would like personnel filling up hard drives with pictures and other stuff.

If millions of people start using Linux then Nokia will put in the effort. Right now it makes no business sense to get all the hassle those hundreds of different Linux distributions give you for the VERY small percentage of Linux users that would/could buy a Lumia.

For a Linux user an Android phone would be a more logical choice.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[3]: Still depressing
by Dekonega on Thu 6th Sep 2012 18:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Still depressing"
Dekonega Member since:
2009-07-28

Wow, didn't know you could connect a pc to a lumia phone with wifi. How do you do that?

With Zune Software you can wifi connect any Windows Phone device. But you can only sync Music, Pictures and Videos. And it only works with Windows-devices.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: Still depressing
by JAlexoid on Thu 6th Sep 2012 10:29 in reply to "RE: Still depressing"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Phones don't lock out people, people do.

If you're a Windows user, which most people are, what's wrong with buying a phone that works with Windows?

Should you switch to Linux the worst that can happen is that you can't hook up your phone to it, but who does that anyway these days? It's all WiFi, Bluetooth and cloud stuff now.



You might have missed the crucial modifier to his statement - "as an os-geek"

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[3]: Still depressing
by MOS6510 on Thu 6th Sep 2012 11:11 in reply to "RE[2]: Still depressing"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

The os-geek pas part of an statement regarding Thom's public endorsement of the new Lumia.

I don't think his personal characteristics (should) have any influence of the population targeted by Nokia. They target the average customer, like most companies do because this is the largest group of people. The average customer uses Windows.

Issues of open standards/protocols aren't high if at all on the average consumer's list (even if they should be). If it works it works, if it doesn't it's crap.

Relative few people use Linux, most have put some thought in to why they want to Linux. I assume they'll also put in this same amount of planning when selecting a phone and most will probably go for a Linux based Android phone and not a WP7/8 Nokia one.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: Still depressing
by raddude9 on Fri 7th Sep 2012 09:06 in reply to "RE: Still depressing"
raddude9 Member since:
2009-07-15

What phones Don't work with Windows BTW?

And just because these phone run Windows doesn't make them flexible like PCs that run windows. On any PC you buy today you have the freedom to put an alternative OS on it. We should demand the same of our phones, it's our hardware after all.

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[3]: Still depressing
by ichi on Fri 7th Sep 2012 09:40 in reply to "RE[2]: Still depressing"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

On any PC you buy today you have the freedom to put an alternative OS on it. We should demand the same of our phones, it's our hardware after all.


The current trend seems to be restricting what you can run on hardware that used to be open, not giving you more freedom on devices that are currently locked down.

At some point you'll probably have to "jailbreak" your PC to install an alternative OS.

Reply Parent Score: 2