Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 5th Sep 2012 23:41 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless If there's one thing I miss in the current smartphone industry, it's design. Honest to good, real design. We basically see one boring slab after another, void of any true identity, whether it's iPhone, Samsung, or any of the others. In this boring world of grey, black, and the occasional white, Nokia is the jester, coming up with its own unique designs and crazy colour selection. Today, the company unveiled the Lumia 920 and 820 to continue this trend.
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Dekonega
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2009-07-28

I agree with a couple of those (no constant signal/battery indicator), but most of those are issues that actually effect very few people, are non-issues, or apply to other smartphones as well.

Having been using 7.5 for a while, I am very satisfied.


I do disagree with some of the items in that list. For example I don't believe that a communications device doesn't need to have an equaliser built-in with the default media player (as long as 3rd party application creators can make it happen later on).

80. No equalizer for Zune music player.


Reason 80 is a bit too demanding (although for example iOS comes with built-in equalizer settings.) It's not a standard thing to come with every smarthphone OS. Although it can be widely found. And I understand that some things were software bugs within Lumia line itself like reason 105.

105. Cannot be charged up when battery is flat. (Lumia specific)
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(It has been fixed to my knowledge by now.)

And things that Microsoft is going to address in Windows Phone 8. For example:

24. Tiles are fixed size and for many functions is a waste of space.


Microsoft also now promises to give at least 24 months of major upgrades before next major revision which to current models cannot upgrade. This starts with the WP8.

However the fact is that WP7 devices cannot be upgraded to 8, and it's just a huge betrayal. It's just not comprehensible since Nokia's Lumia 900 buyers like were betrayed the worst possible way. Early adopters/buyers are the people who advertise the product to others. No-WP8-upgrade had huge negative impact to Nokia's reputation and now they essentially have to rebuild that trust. And it's not just Nokia's issue.

I do think that there are serious issues with Windows Phone devices. For example reason:

99. Phone cannot be charged when off.


Which have to be issued in Windows Phone 8, or it'll be an epic fail. For example this problem has been around since Zune media players. Why Microsoft hasn't fixed it already?

What about usability issues?

19. Alarm clock cannot work when phone is turned off. All Nokia Symbian and Meego phones can do this.

95. Wi-fi disconnects when screen sleeps.


And just some weird stuff like:

13. Cannot sync directly with Outlook without syncing to Cloud.


The sync options are just obscure and difficult to comprehend, or just plain privacy violations. If I buy a phone, why should I be forced to make a pact with the software maker to give all my personal information to their servers outside my country's jurisdiction?

Makes no sense at all.

It's easy to buy iPhone or any Android device since they have all the stuff people actually need and want. Making the conscious decision to leave the Windows Phone out of the picture is even easier.

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Not allowing WP7 phones to upgrade to WP8 is a "huge betrayal"? Get a grip. How many carriers upgrade your phone--ever? Most phones are obsolete the moment you buy them, and they're quickly orphaned by the carrier. Besides, most of the older devices do not meet the minimum specs for WP8 certification; hence, it doesn't even make sense to offer an upgrade that would actually downgrade your experience.

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Dekonega Member since:
2009-07-28

Not allowing WP7 phones to upgrade to WP8 is a "huge betrayal"? Get a grip. How many carriers upgrade your phone--ever? Most phones are obsolete the moment you buy them, and they're quickly orphaned by the carrier. Besides, most of the older devices do not meet the minimum specs for WP8 certification; hence, it doesn't even make sense to offer an upgrade that would actually downgrade your experience.


First of all, carriers never do upgrades for the phones, manufacturers do. And if you live in EU you can always install the upgrades manufacturers release for the devices. It's not restricted in anyway. Same with the most of the Asia to my knowledge. Only USA's carriers seem to be so dumb that they actually limit the upgrade possibilities.

And just to answer your question. Every single Symbian update released for my Symbian devices, I've gotten them all. I've also gotten all the updates for my N9. And I got tons of upgrades for my HTC Android devices including the 2.3.3 update for HTC Desire.

I recognize your point about that some earlier devices might not be able to run Windows Phone 8. However I made a point about how a phone that was released like few months ago, that was touted to be the biggest, the latest and the best, was abandoned before it ever managed to even hit the marketplace.

Besides to my understanding Lumia 800 and Lumia 900 are perfectly capable of running Windows Phone 8. And that they could run the latest software for Windows Phone 8.

Especially in my opinion people who bought Lumia 900 were tricked and that's not a way to treat a customers. You can just imagine what kind of image that gives out of the company doing that.

In German the larges carrier around (T-Mobile) stopped selling Lumia 900 as a result of this move. And in many places Lumia 900 found it self to be in a discount and to be sold with just 1€ euro.

T-Mobile did the right call. They didn't want to hear from their customers that they were tricked. They protected their own reputation. And who can blame them? Nokia and Microsoft tricked everyone who bought Lumia 900.

There isn't a sales chain problem within Windows Phone ecosystem. Nokia has/had the world's largest sales chain. If it doesn't sell, it effectively means that nobody wants to have it. The Problem is that nobody wants to buy Windows Phones due shit like this.

Edited 2012-09-09 14:28 UTC

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