Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 5th Sep 2012 23:41 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless If there's one thing I miss in the current smartphone industry, it's design. Honest to good, real design. We basically see one boring slab after another, void of any true identity, whether it's iPhone, Samsung, or any of the others. In this boring world of grey, black, and the occasional white, Nokia is the jester, coming up with its own unique designs and crazy colour selection. Today, the company unveiled the Lumia 920 and 820 to continue this trend.
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RE: Still depressing
by bassbeast on Fri 7th Sep 2012 15:17 UTC in reply to "Still depressing"
bassbeast
Member since:
2007-11-11

If you want to complain that it has no Linux support then you should rightly go write a nasty letter to the Linux devs, start with Torvalds and work your way down. or do you blame the farmer who raised the beef when Mickey D's gives you a lousy burger?

The simple fact is as long as Torvalds, giant ego that he is, refuses to allow a stable ABI or API then the vast majority of companies simply won't support you, its just THAT simple. You can write a piece of software in Windows and have it run on anything from Win2K-Win 8 X64 and moreover it will KEEP running without having a team of devs constantly rewrite the thing. Don't give us that 'Just give us the code" BS either, we saw how well that worked with AMD, most companies aren't gonna bet their business on some stranger writing their programs for them, give it up chuck.

So either give the companies a platform that can be "written once, used for years" or don't complain when nobody supports you, most places have better things to spend money on than a team of devs to support an OS with 0.97% market share.

As for TFA, they look pretty which to the masses seems to be important, but I don't see any Micro-SD slot and considering those that were dumb enough to buy winPhone 7 won't be getting WinPhone 8 I have to wonder how many are gonna risk taking another shot. like it or not with Android phones you can usually get one or even two updates, if by no other means Cyanogenmod, but with WinPhone you really have to look at the history of the company and MSFT has a nasty habit of pulling the rug out from under users, playsforsure,Zune,Kin,Sidekick anyone?

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RE[2]: Still depressing
by dukes on Fri 7th Sep 2012 16:22 in reply to "RE: Still depressing"
dukes Member since:
2005-07-06

...but I don't see any Micro-SD slot and considering those that were dumb enough to buy winPhone 7 won't be getting WinPhone 8 I have to wonder how many are gonna risk taking another shot.


I bought a WP7 Phone and I'm not dumb. I'm also going to buy WP8. It suits my lifestyle just fine. [This is coming from a long time iPhone owner and owner of a N7].

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RE[3]: Still depressing
by tomcat on Sat 8th Sep 2012 17:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Still depressing"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

"...but I don't see any Micro-SD slot and considering those that were dumb enough to buy winPhone 7 won't be getting WinPhone 8 I have to wonder how many are gonna risk taking another shot.


I bought a WP7 Phone and I'm not dumb. I'm also going to buy WP8. It suits my lifestyle just fine. [This is coming from a long time iPhone owner and owner of a N7].
"

Me, too. Can't wait to buy the 920. Red, as Thom said.

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RE[2]: Still depressing
by ichi on Fri 7th Sep 2012 16:28 in reply to "RE: Still depressing"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

You can write a piece of software in Windows and have it run on anything from Win2K-Win 8 X64 and moreover it will KEEP running without having a team of devs constantly rewrite the thing.


If you are talking about drivers then no, you can't write a driver for Win2k that works on Win8 x64.

And it's also drivers what break with the unstable internal kernel ABI in Linux, because the external API is actually quite stable. Any other software besides kernel drivers will run on any kernel version you throw it at.

I'm not really sure about a stable internal ABI being the holy grail people claim it would be, anyway. Sure, it might have made it easier for some devs to release binary drivers, but it would also mean maintaining old cruft in a kernel that's intended to be developed fast (how many kernel releases have we had already?).

And then, WP phones not being supported on Linux have nothing to do with inestable ABIs anyway, you don't really need a kernel driver to copy stuff to an external device.

Edited 2012-09-07 16:31 UTC

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RE[3]: Still depressing
by bassbeast on Sat 8th Sep 2012 11:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Still depressing"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Nope you can just write FOUR, count 'em four drivers, and have every. single. version. of Windows currently supported covered for the LIFE of the OS. watch...2K/XP 32, XP X64, WinVista/7/8 32, WinVista/7/8 X64. That's it, stick a fork you are done. That gives you every single version of Windows from 2000-2020 with just FOUR drivers.

But this is why corps simply aren't gonna support you, they can write for OSX and get 5 years minimum, write for Windows and get 10+, or write for Linux and have the thing break in less than a year when some dev gets an itch...which do YOU think is more cost effective? Pulling an Nvidia and having to hire a team to do nothing but fix broken drivers, or write once and use for years?

And again don't give us the "Just give us the code!" because that is as much BS as saying "Give us your A&P textbook and we'll do our own open heart surgery!" because again, look at AMD. The devs have had the specs for 3 years now, drivers aren't even as good as Windows drivers from 3 years ago. Writing low level system drivers is HARD, extremely hard, and frankly 90%+ of the coders out there simply aren't qualified to do it and those that are qualified have their dance cards full at work so ain't volunteering.

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RE[2]: Still depressing
by No it isnt on Sat 8th Sep 2012 22:32 in reply to "RE: Still depressing"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Why is it that everyone who's complaining about the ABI has no fucking clue what it's for? You don't need kernel support for a protocol to talk to a USB device. Make it a library. Write once, etc.

So much vitriol just for stating your own incompetence.

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