Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 8th Sep 2012 11:58 UTC
Legal "While Apple's technology is a 'very nice invention', the technique used in Android differs from the iOS solution, argued Bas Berghuis van Woortman, one of Samsung's lawyers. Because the Android based method is more hierarchical the system is more complex and therefore harder for developers to use, he said. [...] Apple disagrees. 'They suggest that they have a lesser solution, but that is simply not true', said Apple's lawyer Theo Blomme to judge Peter Blok, who presided over a team of three judges, in a response to Samsung's claim." I just wish these companies and their lawyers could see and hear themselves. If only for a few seconds. Not even Monty Python could write this. By the way, all these patents were already thrown out last year by the Dutch courts, but Apple started a 'bottom procedure', a more thorough handling of the case. Three expert IP judges preside, and due to the earlier ruling, Apple is fighting an uphill battle.
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MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12

I agree, but that's a whole different subject. This is about Samsung yet again copying Apple stuff. It's becoming hard to sum up all the stuff they copied without leaving something out.

Samsung copies Apple and sells a lot of stuff, Nokia (and RIM) doesn't copy and doesn't sell lots.

This makes me wonder why people claim the Apple vs Samsung verdict is bad for customer choice and innovation. If companies kept on copying Apple we'd end up with iPhones and iPhone look-a-likes. Nokia, who does offer a good and different product, doesn't even get a chance to show its goods because everybody wants an iPhone or something that looks like it.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

This is about Samsung yet again copying Apple stuff.


But as I said, that has been done already 30 years ago. How can it be copying Apple when Apple themselves aren't doing anything new either, and are in fact copying what's been done before?

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

If I replace my house with a pyramid and a few months later my neighbor suddenly also lives in a pyramid then I'd conclude he copied me.

Yes, pyramids have been around since aliens visited earth thousands of years ago, but really where did my neighbor get the idea from?

Samsung copied Nokia, BlackBerry and now Apple. Each time the went for the company who was doing best. The recent court case revealed how they were going to make their current products look and behave more Apple like.

The bright white earphones were a sign of an iPod in someone's pocket. Of all the colors and designs Samsung could have picked/copied they chose Apple's.

If Nokia suddenly sells millions of phones in all kinds of colors you can bet we'll suddenly see Samsung phones in all kinds of colors.

Well, let them, but don't claim Samsung innovates or offers customer choice. They offer copies, more of the same.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Nokia, who does offer a good and different product


That's the problem here. The jury in the US ruled that Samsung phones with keyboards and phones with like 5 weirdly arranged buttons below the screen infringed iPhone *design* patents. If those phones infringe, then sure AS HELL Nokia's Lumias would have been found infringing as well, had they been part of the case.

Many people seem to think this is only about the Galaxy Ace - it's not. A whole sew of CLEARLY different devices were found infringing on design patents, and arguing that's okay is arguing nobody should be allowed to compete with Apple at all.

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I don't argue that's okay, it is weird.

If one gives a verdict one should motivate why. If a product is found to be infringing it should be stated why. If you don't know why what you did is wrong it's rather difficult to do it different next time or change the current situation.

Also if the motivation is wrong you have the opportunity to say so. If product A on the bad list, because the verdict says it has feature B, but it doesn't have feature B it's easy to point out.

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thavith_osn Member since:
2005-07-11

Going way off topic here :-)

I just noticed your avatar, I loved that game!!!

I'm guessing you played on the C64 due to your login, I played it on an Apple ][ back in the day :-)

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Sadly a number of people see this, the Avatar from Ultima V, but I keep seeing my previous graphic, the Commodore logo. :-(

But it is a great game! I haven't played it on the Apple ][, but since it was designed on one it should be great there too. And it would be the original one, just the way Richard Garriot intended it to be.

I just can't seem to get hold of an Apple ][.

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_xmv Member since:
2008-12-09



Samsung copies Apple and sells a lot of stuff, Nokia (and RIM) doesn't copy and doesn't sell lots.

This makes me wonder why people claim the Apple vs Samsung verdict is bad

when HTC was selling a lot, Apple was suying HTC.
Now Samsung beat HTC to that and got sued by apple
I guess the Nexus One looked like an iphone to you?

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I have no idea what a Nexus One looks like, because I have never met someone who had one.

But apart from that, I don't see how your statements bear any relation to what I said.

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BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

This makes me wonder why people claim the Apple vs Samsung verdict is bad for customer choice and innovation.


Let me see if I understand correctly... if a company sells a "copy" that's comparable to a more expensive product, then in your mind that's bad for consumer choice? And to you, being able to produce a product that's comparable to a competitors (but less expensive) isn't innovative? So rounded corners on a rectangle are innovative, but more efficient manufacturing processes aren't?

Even if everyone followed your example & blindly accepted the notion that Samsung does nothing but copy Apple, then you still have to ignore all of those details to conclude that it has no possible benefits for consumer choice.

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