Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 9th Sep 2012 22:58 UTC
Mac OS X "A little more than an year ago I wrote my rant post The Linux Desktop Experience is Killing Linux on the Desktop and for the first time in 8 years I wasn't a desktop Linux user anymore. I spent about a month wrestling with Windows 7, but let's face it - Windows is ill suited for professional Ruby programmers like me (and it's ill suited for most programmers, except maybe Java & .Net I guess). Anyways, it was never my intention to stick with Windows - I was just doing my Mac due diligence. Now with 1+ year of OSX usage I'd like to share a few things about my experience thus far with you."
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Shallow article
by porcel on Sun 9th Sep 2012 23:46 UTC
porcel
Member since:
2006-01-28

There is nothing in the article that is objectively true. Just a bunch of generalizations to make the author feel good about the supposed advantages of his new OS.

I can´t stand when people make gross generalizations about the technical virtues of any platform. To me, nothing beats KDE as a great workstation, entertainment platform and development platform. Should I preach this from the rooftops on the hopes that somebody will follow me down the same path?

Paying a bunch of money for overprized hardware will make you do JUST THAT. People need to rationalize past behaviour by telling themselves how much better off they are because of said behavior, when, perhaps, objetively, the world is not as black and white.

I will say one thing which is an objective truth: I will not give any of my hard-earned money to a company run by assholes who believe in software patents and use litigation to kill competition.

Edited 2012-09-09 23:49 UTC

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RE: Shallow article
by Shane on Mon 10th Sep 2012 01:15 in reply to "Shallow article"
Shane Member since:
2005-07-06

I thought that the article was fairly balanced. He mentioned a bunch of things that he liked, a bunch of things that he found OK, and a bunch of things that he didn't like.

These type of articles are bound to be subjective of course. They are meant to be, since the author is writing about his experiences.

You are reading way too much into the author's motives. Assigning intent is a slippery slope. I could say that you don't like the author's conclusions, and thus you rationalise that the author must be rationalising his choices because he spent a lot on Apple hardware. Sounds ridiculous?

There's no need to reel out the whole "overpriced hardware" and "assholes" lines. Your "objective truth" sounds way more black and white than the article.

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RE[2]: Shallow article
by marcp on Mon 10th Sep 2012 08:55 in reply to "RE: Shallow article"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

I absolutely agree with OP.

These types of articles are too subjective and are intended to make the user feel better with whatever he/she choose.
You don't need to preach anything when everything is ok.

People tend to forgot that their opinion doesn't really matter. What matters most is what is objective. Not everything is subjective, some things are intersubjective at least. We can surely say, that Apple hardware is overpriced. No matter how much you earn, it doesn't change that fact. We could say many other things, but that's not a place for it.

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RE[2]: Shallow article
by zima on Sun 16th Sep 2012 23:40 in reply to "RE: Shallow article"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

It's not about assigning intent, humans simply have a very hard time disconnecting from various "motives" - just how our brains are wired up.

Consider http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/2008/pr-wine-011608.html or audiophile ~placebo. Or, WRT ~computers, http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Mouse_vs._keyboard/index.html and how, despite numerous "experts" praising trackpoints, actual research seems to suggest that touchpads are in fact superior (some examples linked in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick#Comparison_with_touchpa... & http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18522893 external link; conversely, note how the views and links supportive of trackpoint seem to be "subjective opinion" in character; and personally I even do like trackpoints, I'm used to the concept, but...)

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RE: Shallow article
by ilovebeer on Mon 10th Sep 2012 04:45 in reply to "Shallow article"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

There is nothing in the article that is objectively true. Just a bunch of generalizations to make the author feel good about the supposed advantages of his new OS.

The author shared his own personal experience. What he calls advantages are advantages in his view, not "supposed" ones. The article didn't come across as the author just saying things to make himself feel good about switching. To the contrary, he made it clear it wasn't painless and there are things he misses about linux.

I can´t stand when people make gross generalizations about the technical virtues of any platform. To me, nothing beats KDE as a great workstation, entertainment platform and development platform. Should I preach this from the rooftops on the hopes that somebody will follow me down the same path?

Are you aware of all the generalizations you've made in your post? It's like a guy saying he hates broccoli, then eating a whole plate of it.

Paying a bunch of money for overprized hardware will make you do JUST THAT. People need to rationalize past behaviour by telling themselves how much better off they are because of said behavior, when, perhaps, objetively, the world is not as black and white.

He is clearly having a far better desktop experience with OSX than he ever did with linux. If he is telling himself anything, it's probably "I'm glad I switched".

He is no more wrong for his apparent love for OSX than you are for your apparent love for linux KDE. Although I'm no OSX fan, I do have to side with the author. IMO linux is complete trash for a desktop environment, with OSX and Windows shitting all over it.

I will say one thing which is an objective truth: I will not give any of my hard-earned money to a company run by assholes who believe in software patents and use litigation to kill competition.

Is it OSX you hate or just anything Apple-related? Being so emotionally attached to a company seems like a massive waste to me but hey, if that's what turns your crank....

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RE[2]: Shallow article
by Savior on Mon 10th Sep 2012 07:35 in reply to "RE: Shallow article"
Savior Member since:
2006-09-02

"I will say one thing which is an objective truth: I will not give any of my hard-earned money to a company run by assholes who believe in software patents and use litigation to kill competition.

Is it OSX you hate or just anything Apple-related? Being so emotionally attached to a company seems like a massive waste to me but hey, if that's what turns your crank....
"

I think you are mostly right, but I don't see how his last point isn't valid. Two things:

1. Have you ever heard the word 'boycott'? It is a perfectly valid way of action against immoral companies.
2. Isn't Apple all about emotional attachment anyway?...

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RE: Shallow article
by Luminair on Mon 10th Sep 2012 06:03 in reply to "Shallow article"
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

well when you put it that way, it almost seems like the linux desktop doesn't suck! but it still does.

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RE: Shallow article
by AlekosPanagulis on Mon 10th Sep 2012 09:42 in reply to "Shallow article"
AlekosPanagulis Member since:
2012-03-19

You are right dude.

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RE: Shallow article
by UltraZelda64 on Mon 10th Sep 2012 09:44 in reply to "Shallow article"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

I can´t stand when people make gross generalizations about the technical virtues of any platform. To me, nothing beats KDE as a great workstation, entertainment platform and development platform. Should I preach this from the rooftops on the hopes that somebody will follow me down the same path?

No, because it's not true: Xfce is better than KDE. Just kidding. ;)

I fully agree with everything you said in your post. You've brought up some excellent points, very well said.

I'm also using KDE, although admittedly it's not my primary choice for one major reason: it's a bit to heavy on resources (especially memory) for my computer and my actual usage. I was running CrunchBang (with OpenBox) but when openSUSE 12.2 was released, all those new versions of programs were just irresistible. I'll probably continue using it until the swapping starts driving me nuts (it's already getting annoying--having only 1GB RAM really sucks).

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RE: Shallow article
by ins0mniac on Mon 10th Sep 2012 12:20 in reply to "Shallow article"
ins0mniac Member since:
2008-10-01

I'll tell you this: I've switched to OS X a couple of years ago as well and I still think to this day it was the right choice for me. And no, I have not spent one penny on Apple hardware so I don't need to rationalize anything. Also I don't need to feel good about my choice. If I don't like an OS I just search for another one, that's how I ended up with OS X anyway. As I never particularly liked Windows I used to have a cycle of Linux tryouts. Maybe twice or 3 times per year I would try several Linux distros as my main computer, but I've always reverted to Windows because I just couldn't do my work efficiently or in some instances couldn't do it at all on Linux. So about 2 years ago I tried OS X and it stayed.
It simply works for me. I develop, run and administer my own web sites, so I use the computer to mainly do PHP development, administer Linux servers, web-design and also some occasional DTP, photo and video editing. At the end of the day I need to run a business and after several years of trial and error I've came to the conclusion that OS X is the best OS for my particular business.
I don't see the author of the original article preaching anything, he's just sharing his experience with the goods and the bads, that's all. I think the article is truthful and if anybody learns anything from it then it was worth publishing. On the other hand your comment sounds like rant blinded by hate.

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