Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 10th Sep 2012 14:51 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
Apple Written by Scott Cleland: "With so many fanboys spinning Silicon Valley history, it's sometimes easy to forget about the real chain of events that led to the ongoing Apple-Google thermonuclear war, how the romance turned to hate. This timeline presents an interesting case about why, despite patents and prior art, Steve Jobs had plenty of personal reasons to despise Schmidt, Page, and Brin." Cleland has a very, very good point; quite coherent and well-reasoned... That is, if you haven't got a single shred of historical sense and completely and utterly ignore the 30-odd years of mobile computing development that preceded our current crop of smartphones. It's hard not to be reminded of how certain groups of people dismiss millions of years of fossil records because this record inconveniences their argument. In any case, a comment on the article answered the question properly: "Jobs was a businessman. He was angry he was losing money. Simple."
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RE[5]: Losing money?
by Laurence on Mon 10th Sep 2012 22:29 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Losing money? "
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26


Samsung may be easily able to superficially copy Apple. I don't see them replicating Apple's financial success nor do I see their attempts to copy erasing what Apple actually created.

You don't need any one company to erase Apples market - it might be more a case of multiple companies eating smaller chunks of Apples pie.

Anyhow, we're both just speculating here and I'm not about to say that I even believe Apple will lose significant market share in at least the foreseeable future.

I was more making a point about why I believed Apple were the patent aggressors at this very moment rather than trying to predict the future.

My point is: you don't have a point and you aren't very well informed.

Clearly there's other misinformed people out there - some of whom write for financial magazines:
http://www.moneyweek.com/investment-advice/share-tips/apple-shares-...


And saying bubble over and over and over doesn't make for a bubble.

Hence why you explain your point like an adult rather than a child. Insults are not persuasive, do not educate people nor progress the discussion in any way, shape nor form. All they do is undermine your argument.

And quite honestly, from the lack of substance you've contributed to this discussion, I'm inclined to think that you're yet another fanboy: all bark and no bite.

If what I've posted (and that link I referenced) is really that inaccurate, then please offer your own hypothesis as to why Apple are presenting a different business strategy to Microsoft. Because it's ever so easy to be derogatory towards someone else who is brave enough to offer their suggestions, but a hell of a lot harder to stick your own neck on the line.

So don't be a coward, lets hear your "expert" insight. However if you have to fall back to insults then clearly your argument isn't strong enough to stand on it's own merits.

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RE[6]: Losing money?
by jared_wilkes on Mon 10th Sep 2012 23:16 in reply to "RE[5]: Losing money? "
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

I was more making a point about why I believed Apple were the patent aggressors at this very moment rather than trying to predict the future.


Apparently, you tried to make a digressive dig at Apple's patent strategy while trying to argue that Apple stood a high risk of collapsing from some made-up bubble.

You seem to think that by injecting this unrelated patent argument into the conversation that it proves that it is "easy" to "compete with" or "copy" Apple... I'm not buying that it is "easy" to "do" Apple -- superficially, technologically, strategically, or financially. Least of all financially.

In retort to your notion of many players nibbling away at Apple: several of the players have been losing money for several quarters and are depleting their cash hoard. Apple has continued to grow its most profitable share of the marketplace nearly 100% each year, while not only preserving profit share but often increasing it. And they have industry-leading, virtually record-setting consumer satisfaction and loyalty rates. Even if half of their current business mysteriously disappeared overnight, they would still be as profitable as Samsung and tower over any other player.

Clearly there's other misinformed people out there - some of whom write for financial magazines.


Yup. Did you think otherwise?

Hence why you explain your point like an adult rather than a child.


You seem to think you've made some explanation of some point. You haven't even begun to present any evidence that Apple is artificially and incorrectly valued by the marketplace.

If what I've posted (and that link I referenced) is really that inaccurate, then please offer your own hypothesis as to why Apple are presenting a different business strategy to Microsoft.


Have I been unclear about what I think is nonsense, unsupported, or wishful thinking? I thought I was pretty clear about that and what my evidence was.

Edited 2012-09-10 23:28 UTC

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RE[7]: Losing money?
by Laurence on Mon 10th Sep 2012 23:47 in reply to "RE[6]: Losing money? "
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Apparently, you tried to make a digressive dig at Apple's patent strategy while trying to argue that Apple stood a high risk of collapsing from some made-up bubble.

No I wasn't. It was never a dig and the bubble was a side issue. My point was Apple don't have much in the way of unique products so need to prevent sales of their competitors to protect their revenue.

You're reading way too much into things.


You seem to think that by injecting this unrelated patent argument into the conversation that it proves that it is "easy" to "compete with" or "copy" Apple... I'm not buying that it is "easy" to "do" Apple -- superficially, technologically, strategically, or financially. Least of all financially.

The patent argument was the central and primary point of my post. You're the one that took this off on a tangent.


In retort to your notion of many players nibbling away at Apple

There was nothing to retort to given I said that was a highly speculative flipside to the absurd suggestion you made that for one business to go under, it must be from the direct hands of another business.

I made it perfectly clear that I didn't think Apple were going out of business any time soon.

So please don't twist my words around to suit your own agenda.

Yup. Did you think otherwise?

Ahh, so everyone who doesn't match your view point is obviously deluded.

Typical fanboy mentality.

As you're one of those guys who simply has to have the last word, I'll end this cycle now. So unless you have anything more compelling than the tripe you've already posted (and baring in mind I'm the only one who's offered up opinions and evidenced them), I'm ending this discussion here.

Enjoy your evening and remember, not everyone who offers up a non-idealogical view of Apple are haters out to "dig". So you'd go much further in life if you didn't treat us like so. ;)

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