Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Sep 2012 20:00 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
Mozilla & Gecko clones "Over the past year and a half I've been spending more and more of my time working with Mozilla's latest project, Firefox OS. During that time I've fallen in love with the project and what it stands for, in ways that I've never experienced with a technology platform before." I'm not convinced just yet. I hope it succeeds, but I just doubt it actually will.
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Alfman
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2011-01-28

Nelson,

"It makes perfect sense. I'm not in the business of caring about what lazy developers prefer. Anyone using HTML/JS to write run anywhere app is pretty much the worst kind of developer I know."

Wow Nelson, I think you might have initially started out defending a sound principal, but your argument is becoming absurd. Writing portable code is ultimately about not having to reimplement the same thing everywhere. You can call it lazy if you want, but I'll call it being efficient.

The WWW, for all it's problems, could not be as ubiquitous and transparent as it is today if everyone used their own protocols and different standards. Unless you believe in segregating the online population, it's a good thing that everyone can visit each other's websites with the expectation that they will work everywhere else.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

You do this really naive thing where you assume you're the moral arbiter of programming and I'm supposed to care about your opinion.

Also, my apps feel more native, perform better, and I achive comparable productivity with just slapping together an alien feeling HTML5 website and calling it a day by stuffing it into an app.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Nelson,

"You do this really naive thing where you assume you're the moral arbiter of programming and I'm supposed to care about your opinion."

You don't have to care about my opinion, but can you read your own post in context and tell me it's not pure arrogance?

http://www.osnews.com/thread?535086

You allude to principals, however you've failed to lay them out in the course of this discussion. We've highlighted a shortcoming shared by many native platforms, but instead of acknowledging the truth in that, you resorted to Ad Hominem attacks against all web developers. Regardless of what you think of my opinion, you should at least redact that post since it can't possibly be true; some of the best developers in existence will use HTML/JS despite its shortcomings BECAUSE they want to reach the largest audience.


"Also, my apps feel more native, perform better, and I achive comparable productivity with just slapping together an alien feeling HTML5 website and calling it a day by stuffing it into an app."

Well Nelson, here you are using an HTML news & discussion board, what happened to your principals? You're obviously not a hypocrite, so where's the link to the native version of osnews since I'd like to give it a try!

My point being that the web does have it's uses, and even if some of us prefer native apps (including myself btw), we have to admit that they fail to reach as wide an audience as exists on the web.

Instead of denying the benefits of portability, we'd be better off making native frameworks MORE portable so that they could run anywhere without regards to OS/platform. Go ahead and disagree with my opinion, but for gods sake drop the more-principled-than-thou talk.

Edited 2012-09-16 19:46 UTC

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