Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Sep 2012 22:30 UTC
Intel You'd think this sort of stuff belonged to the past - but no. Apparently, Microsoft is afraid of Android on its Windows 8 tablets, because Intel has just announced that it will provide no support for Linux on its clover Trail processors. Supposedly, this chip is "designed for Windows 8". What?
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RE[3]: Comment by stabbyjones
by ilovebeer on Sat 15th Sep 2012 01:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by stabbyjones"
ilovebeer
Member since:
2011-08-08

Whoa, let's be careful with proprietary software bashing or we could cause society grat trouble!
Now "the world would be much worse" is an assumption you must be very insightful - almost omniscient - to make, as it's quite a demanding task to guess how a world without proprietary software would be. Anyway that hypoetical world has absolutely nothing to do with the topic here. It's so far-fetched you must have felt at least on the edge of bad faith writing your comment.

It doesn't take being omniscient to imagine what a world without proprietary software would be like. Stop being so dramatic and ridiculous. Take a look at what advancements have come as a result of proprietary systems, and take a look at what advancements have come as a result of free & open systems. It's not hard to see what drives things. Here's a hint -- it isn't good will & intention, it's profit & economics. Take a look at the world you live in ... people by far do not do things in good faith or for the betterment of society. It's almost comical you think that's far-fetched. It's reality, like it or not.

Nobody would freakin ever complain about proprietary software if there wasn't the suspicion - as in this case - that someone's trying to compete outside the boundaries of what's legitimate this way damaging other entities.

There has always and will always been suspicion. There will always be someone complaining about something. Because, there will always be those who have and those who have not. Those who get, and those who don't. Again, take a look around you and you'll discover no shortage of companies in all areas of business who act in their own best interests, including when that sometimes means playing hardball -- and yes, even causing damage to competitors in some way. If you hate this kind of behavior, you must hate that you live in a world that revolves around economics.

What the heck has this to do with hating proprietary software? All players should just play fair, but maybe that's outside the scope for some of them. The details aren't known yet, but I would get very annoyed by a hypotetical company making it more difficult for an open source OS to support a new processor. It sounds like a steer from the usual Intel policy and as such it does not seem to be happening just by chance.

If Intel developed a chip line to work specifically with linux would you still be so upset? Are you actually expecting everyone to believe that Intel apparently partnering with Microsoft for a specific product line is outrageous? Have you even bothered to look up what other companies have done or are doing the exact thing?

If you think this shows how bad free software supporters are (the vast majority of which I'm sure don't want proprietary software to disappear but just like having more choice and the possibility to know what the code they're using really does) feel free to voice your personal reality, but be aware it sounds quite crazy.

The vast majority of free-software "supporters" I've been exposed to don't say they just want more choice.. They claim closed software is horrible, evil, all about profit$, harmful, blah blah blah.. I guess we've been exposed to vastly different types of free-software "supporters".

I don't have a personal reality. It would be nice if people could have one but that's not the way the world works. I suppose to someone who has their head in the clouds, reality would sound quite crazy. For people who are aware of it, the response would probably be along the lines of 'yeah, no kidding'.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

and take a look at what advancements have come as a result of free & open systems.


The internet.

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v RE[5]: Comment by stabbyjones
by ilovebeer on Sat 15th Sep 2012 04:38 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by stabbyjones"
Gullible Jones Member since:
2006-05-23

Technological advances driven by the market are all well and good, but they're not very useful if people who would benefit can't afford them.

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RE[4]: Comment by stabbyjones
by dsmogor on Sat 15th Sep 2012 11:46 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by stabbyjones"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

If Intel developed a chip line to work specifically with linux would you still be so upset? Are you actually expecting everyone to believe that Intel apparently partnering with Microsoft for a specific product line is outrageous? Have you even bothered to look up what other companies have done or are doing the exact thing?

Care to come out with an example?
Besides if the source is available linux support in slightly longer term means basically universal support.
Exclusivity is exclusive to closed systems world.

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RE[5]: Comment by stabbyjones
by ilovebeer on Sat 15th Sep 2012 15:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by stabbyjones"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

If Intel developed a chip line to work specifically with linux would you still be so upset? Are you actually expecting everyone to believe that Intel apparently partnering with Microsoft for a specific product line is outrageous? Have you even bothered to look up what other companies have done or are doing the exact thing?
Care to come out with an example?
Besides if the source is available linux support in slightly longer term means basically universal support.
Exclusivity is exclusive to closed systems world.

moondevil already did -- refer to his previous post.

Why did you ignore my other questions? I'll repeat one of them again and put it in bold so in case you somehow managed to "over look" it the first time: If Intel developed a chip line to work specifically with linux would you still be so upset?

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