Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Sep 2012 22:30 UTC
Intel You'd think this sort of stuff belonged to the past - but no. Apparently, Microsoft is afraid of Android on its Windows 8 tablets, because Intel has just announced that it will provide no support for Linux on its clover Trail processors. Supposedly, this chip is "designed for Windows 8". What?
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RE[6]: Comment by stabbyjones
by Soulbender on Sat 15th Sep 2012 08:10 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by stabbyjones"
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

Did you actually just say that?


Yes. Do you want more examples?
Many of todays programming languages: Python, PHP, Haskell, Erlang, Ruby, D, Caml etc etc.
Stuff that powers the internet: nginx, apache, lighttpd, varnish, RoR, tomcat, jetty etc etc.
The list goes on.

But hey, lets pretend open and free has never advanced or contributed anything, if that makes you feel better.

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RE[7]: Comment by stabbyjones
by moondevil on Sat 15th Sep 2012 11:59 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by stabbyjones"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Python development got funded by the companies Guido worked for.

PHP development is funded by Zend.

Haskell development is funded by Microsoft Research.

Erlang was developed at Ericson, before it got released as open source.

The list goes on.

Very few successful open source projects, if any, would have succeeded if it wasn't for the dirty money that some companies selling closed source software invested on it.

I used to be a big open source fan until I realized, that without a way to pay for bills, being a fan does not help much.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

[Remnove comment that does not apply anyway]

Very few successful open source projects, if any, would have succeeded if it wasn't for the dirty money that some companies selling closed source software invested on it.


Maybe, maybe not but that's not what we're discussing anyway.
You could also argue that a lot of commercial projects would not have succeeded without the OSS projects they build on and use but that's also not the point.
Who's talking about dirty money anyway? Not me that's for sure.

The point is, for those of you who somehow fail to see it, both closed and open-source software and systems spur advancements and contribute to the field.
I really don't know why some are so dead set against this simple fact.

Edited 2012-09-15 12:11 UTC

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RE[8]: Comment by stabbyjones
by Fergy on Sat 15th Sep 2012 12:51 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by stabbyjones"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Very few successful open source projects, if any, would have succeeded if it wasn't for the dirty money that some companies selling closed source software invested on it.

Let's keep that strawman away from this argument. Free Software is about keeping the power at the consumer side. We still are willing to pay for software but always keep in mind that a competitor can take the source and provide the same service.

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Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

Very few successful open source projects, if any, would have succeeded if it wasn't for the dirty money that some companies selling closed source software invested on it.

I used to be a big open source fan until I realized, that without a way to pay for bills, being a fan does not help much.


You could say much the same about research in to medicine or investment in tertiary education research projects, - are you bitterly opposed to those too?

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

For being such a "fan" of open source, you don't seem to understand what the term actually means. Hint: It has nothing to do with the strawman you just put forth.

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RE[8]: Comment by stabbyjones
by Lennie on Sun 16th Sep 2012 09:18 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by stabbyjones"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

OK, so what proprietary software vendor pays for open source ? I think you are confused.

A lot of money from businesses, sure.

Most of the money for open source comes from hardware vendors and services companies (think companies like IBM, RedHat).

I guess I also see Google, Facebook, Twitter, LiveJournal and similair online properties as services companies as they don't sell any software.

They do have proprietary software but they don't sell it, they just deliver a service.

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RE[7]: Comment by stabbyjones
by ilovebeer on Sat 15th Sep 2012 15:23 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by stabbyjones"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

Did you actually just say that?

Yes. Do you want more examples?
Many of todays programming languages: Python, PHP, Haskell, Erlang, Ruby, D, Caml etc etc.
Stuff that powers the internet: nginx, apache, lighttpd, varnish, RoR, tomcat, jetty etc etc.
The list goes on.

But hey, lets pretend open and free has never advanced or contributed anything, if that makes you feel better.

You may want to do your homework before you make all those claims. Also, who said anything about open never advancing or contributing anything? How typical -- someone gets upset by a comment and rather than address the truth in it, they get all dramatic and go on a rant over something that was never said in the first place.

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